Comment on Is everyone here leftist?

• IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Progressives aren’t a thing

  Because you say so?

  Nonsense.

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As an umbrella label? Yes. It’s an American term used to describe those who are in extreme opposition to conservative views.

    But please, tell me what being a progressive values compared to any other leftist. What makes a progressive different from a anarchist, communist, or a dem soc who have defined values and beliefs?

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    • Illuminostro@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s so vague that a conservative could call themselves progressive because they think it’s saving lives to ban abortion.

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    • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      State ownership of utilities for one.

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      • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What, progressives are in favour of state owned utils or aren’t? Explain yourself properly.

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• deafboy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Communism is the conservative authoritarian dogma. The exact opossite of progress… or anarchy.

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  • sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lol, said confidently by someone who very clearly has not read anything marxist

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    • deafboy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “In Marxist philosophy, the dictatorship of the proletariat is a condition in which the proletariat, or working class, holds control over state power. The dictatorship of the proletariat is the transitional phase from a capitalist and a communist economy…”

      Except, there’s no such thing as a communist economy, so the transitional phase lasts as long as there’s capital to reallocate. Then peoole start to flee across the barbed wire and the facade falls down.

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      • Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The statement “communism is a conservative authoritarian dogma” being backed up by referencing the idea of the dictatorship of the proletariat is… definitely something

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      • sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        there is no such thing as a communist economy Can you back this claim up? Market economy is a term for a reason. An economy doesn’t have to be market to be an economy. Have you never heard of a planned economy?

        the transitional phase lasts as long as there’s capital to relocate

        No. The transitional phase lasts as long there is classes that necessitate a state.

        You have a very simplistic understanding of marxism that cannot be rectified through a fucking wikipedia search. Read the source material or stfu

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re thinking of tankies.

    Communism is a stateless, classless, system where people enact mutualism and socialism without state coercion.

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    • Daxter101@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What makes this thing you’re describing, not anarchism?

      I think you’re describing anarchocommunism specifically. Which is "not all communism"™.

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      • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The difference between non-ML tankie communism and anarchism is the means of getting there.

        Communists want a vanguard state to slowly whittle away.

        Anarchists want to skip that step.

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