Comment on Can we please unpin the proprietary off-site/off-network promotion of discord
Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year agoAs you’ve probably seen from another comment
The bot by default includes support for bans, redactions, anti-spam, server ACLs, room directory changes, room alias transfers, account deactivation, room shutdown, and more.
And I know it’s self hosted and thus requires more work, which is why I suggested elsewhere to have a team of volunteers setting it up (the matrix room and draupnir server), presenting it to the LW admins, and letting they choose of they want to endorse it.
What do you think of that? It would give people supporting Matrix a way to constructively try to come up with a solution that can potentially make everyone happy.
Rooki@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Cool but what if i dont have access to the server? As this would 3x the managing effort of the LW team.
At all LW wants to server a reliable ( unddosable ) service where you can get an response 99% of the time. And not “silencable” with a ddos. That costs more and more money.
Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
In this scenario, the newly formed Matrix would be in charge of those. They manage the servers, they moderate the chats, they even set up their own funding for recurring costs.
LW staff can have access, but most of the operations are performed by the Matrix team.
I am suggesting this as a way to have satisfying end to this discussion:
It’s a win win in any case, and probably a way to appease the resentment we can see in this thread
clueless_stoner@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s definitely a scenario, Blaze. If we were to eventually launch a Matrix space or room, it would be with our own team and tools, just like how it is on Discord. And as it took time to develop & set those up for Discord, it would take even more time and effort for Matrix. So pushing for it won’t help you here. I do appreciate your intention though.
Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Thanks for appreciating the idea.
It’s probably going to be my last message about this topic (I already phrased some of my concerns with Rooki in another comment), but I just would like to repeat that allowing other people to help you could be a good way to leverage help of the community.
IIRC, that’s what happened in the early days of LW, when LW admins and Lemmy devs would work together on fixing the Lemmy codebase, put to a real life workload for the first time.
People in this thread seem eager to push for Matrix, you can either try to canalize their efforts into something productive, and then include it to LW, or just push for a proprietary platform they seem to despise, which will probably make them look somewhere else to build an open source solution.
At the end of the day, the decision if yours, as always in the Fediverse, people are free to come and go.
Anyway, thanks for the discussion, and have a good one!
Rooki@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah but tbh, the only users who complain are outside LW. That is what LW admins see and think hmmm not so many LW users complain, rather only those who cant even see its pinned.
It would add more effort and trust for LW again.
The usecase will be blocked by 3 factors:
We want it reliable, stable and not ddosable platform
Matrix is not userfriendly so much. It is hard to create custom bots for it.
And the new liability risk it would add to LW would be not great
Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
They probably were LW at some point, and then left for one reason or another. It’s fair to ignore your former users, but I guess the reputation of LW might be impacted, and you might see more and more people advising others to move (you can already see it from time to time).
Is it that easy to DDoS? I had a quick look, it seems that if CF is used there is already some mitigation (github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues/8691).
I’m aware that Lemmy is still vulnerable to DDoS even behind CF, but as Matrix is older, the codebase should be more mature.