Comment on Can we please unpin the proprietary off-site/off-network promotion of discord

• Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As you’ve probably seen from another comment

  github.com/Gnuxie/Draupnir

  The bot by default includes support for bans, redactions, anti-spam, server ACLs, room directory changes, room alias transfers, account deactivation, room shutdown, and more.

  And I know it’s self hosted and thus requires more work, which is why I suggested elsewhere to have a team of volunteers setting it up (the matrix room and draupnir server), presenting it to the LW admins, and letting they choose of they want to endorse it.

  What do you think of that? It would give people supporting Matrix a way to constructively try to come up with a solution that can potentially make everyone happy.

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  • Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Cool but what if i dont have access to the server? As this would 3x the managing effort of the LW team.

    1. Matrix Server - Probably gets ddosed too
    2. The bot itself
    3. Learn Matrix itself for moderation, managing the server.

    At all LW wants to server a reliable ( unddosable ) service where you can get an response 99% of the time. And not “silencable” with a ddos. That costs more and more money.

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    • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In this scenario, the newly formed Matrix would be in charge of those. They manage the servers, they moderate the chats, they even set up their own funding for recurring costs.

      LW staff can have access, but most of the operations are performed by the Matrix team.

      I am suggesting this as a way to have satisfying end to this discussion:

      • either the volunteers realize it’s impossible to use Matrix for this usecase, make it public, and then Discord becomes the reasonable solution
      • either the solution works and it can be used

      It’s a win win in any case, and probably a way to appease the resentment we can see in this thread

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      • clueless_stoner@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s definitely a scenario, Blaze. If we were to eventually launch a Matrix space or room, it would be with our own team and tools, just like how it is on Discord. And as it took time to develop & set those up for Discord, it would take even more time and effort for Matrix. So pushing for it won’t help you here. I do appreciate your intention though.

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      • Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah but tbh, the only users who complain are outside LW. That is what LW admins see and think hmmm not so many LW users complain, rather only those who cant even see its pinned.

        It would add more effort and trust for LW again.

        The usecase will be blocked by 3 factors:

        We want it reliable, stable and not ddosable platform

        • Matrix can be ddosed and it would create extra costs and effort to stop it.

        Matrix is not userfriendly so much. It is hard to create custom bots for it.

        And the new liability risk it would add to LW would be not great

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