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Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Yeah but tbh, the only users who complain are outside LW. That is what LW admins see and think hmmm not so many LW users complain, rather only those who cant even see its pinned.

It would add more effort and trust for LW again.

The usecase will be blocked by 3 factors:

We want it reliable, stable and not ddosable platform

Matrix can be ddosed and it would create extra costs and effort to stop it.

Matrix is not userfriendly so much. It is hard to create custom bots for it.

And the new liability risk it would add to LW would be not great

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Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Yeah but tbh, the only users who complain are outside LW. That is what LW admins see and think hmmm not so many LW users complain, rather only those who cant even see its pinned.

They probably were LW at some point, and then left for one reason or another. It’s fair to ignore your former users, but I guess the reputation of LW might be impacted, and you might see more and more people advising others to move (you can already see it from time to time).

Matrix can be ddosed and it would create extra costs and effort to stop it.

Is it that easy to DDoS? I had a quick look, it seems that if CF is used there is already some mitigation (github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues/8691).

I’m aware that Lemmy is still vulnerable to DDoS even behind CF, but as Matrix is older, the codebase should be more mature.

Matrix is not userfriendly so much. Lemmy isn’t that friendly either, still we are all here. My core message is always that due to the emerging nature of Lemmy, I would except Lemmy users to be ready to use less polished software, in a Matrix vs Discord scenario. Otherwise, why bother with Lemmy and just not directly use Reddit with revanced apps?

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- Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Lemmy is more friendlier. Its a basic Reddit. Matrix you have to sync up your encryption etc… i ditched it because of the horrible user experience and programming experience.
  
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  - Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s a basic Reddit without the community and, quite ironically in this discussion, without proper mod tools.
    
    I am a huge defender of Lemmy, but there’s still a long way to go to say that it’s a basic Reddit.
    
    When was the last time you tried Matrix? I had the same experience as you a few years ago, but I set up a room for one of my communities a few weeks back and the experience is much smoother. If Lemmy is a basic Reddit, Matrix is a basic Discord.
    
    Programming experience, that might be the case, but there are a few bots and SDK available, so it should be at least usable (matrix.org/ecosystem/integrations/ github.com/turt2live/matrix-bot-sdk simple-matrix-bot-lib.readthedocs.io/en/latest/)
    
    Anyway, I guess we probably won’t change our minds, but it was nice talking to you, have a good one!
    
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