Were you as good in English as you were in math?
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webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Sometimes i wonder, am i the only one who found it much easier to reverse engineer the required formula from given data, multiple choice response and the different but similar formula on the other question?
Once had my class turn against me because a very unskilled teacher wrote a question on the test of which we hadent seen the required formulas in class. But that couldn’t be said the teacher because i the kid who was known to not be able to pay attention to annything found the correct answer.
Serinus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
The year i got an internet connection my English grades doubled but its not my first language so yeah no perfect. Deal with it :)
Serinus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh, sorry. In English we have this stuff called punctuation. It goes between your sentences.
MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
hahaha… pompous ass (bet you had to look that one up you engrish prick).
how many languages do you speak read and write because I bet it’s not more than one.webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I tend to overuse commas but i am trying not to because it makes my speech more identifiable in the age if ai.
Believe it or not, not putting effort in spelling increases your privacy online.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Damn bro.
Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
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helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
All the time, although nothing this complicated.
Find X in this formula… okay, I’ll just put in the 4 choices and see which one works.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Find X where X is a modifier (a series of calculations) to be used with the provided numbers to end on a specific answers.
And i often had like 3 different sets of provided numbers and answers to verify if the series of calculations are goin in the right direction. Once you have sm that answers all 3 questions you known its gold.
Last step is restructuring the “modifier” so it actually looks like a formula.
Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
And this is why my math teachers never gave multiple choice tests
bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
As a kid who had a habit of reverse engineering shit, (malware analysis and ethical hacking my beloved) I genuinely don’t know you can reverse engineer an equation with a question and 4 answers, 3 of them which are wrong. Even with two questions, its still a crapshoot, and the amount of wrong to right answers seems a bit time consuming to use to try and figure out the real solution, much less the equation, in a reasonable amount of time needed to complete an exam.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Maybe reverse engineering isn’t the right term.
Brute forcing using the provided calculator and calculated guesswork till i got something that matched one of the answers.
I sometimes lost points for “something off in my formula” but the answer was correct so i passed overal.
I have a nack for “visualizing” certain math allowing for calculated guesses. I had a few instances (not on a test) where i literally just told the teacher i had not the faintest clue how to tackle the solution but it just screamed “x=3” and i was kindly told “well done, but no points without formula.
bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
That’s making more sense to me, but my view of reverse engineering is 100% tainted by my work in SRE and hacking.
I work in the same way, but I’ve kinda forgot about using a calculator since the last few math classes I took forbid using calculators
original2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It depends on the exam. One exam where it was totally possible was the EEE aero MAT for imperial college London. They have retired it since but i got about 50% (i know someone who got an interview with a negative score) because whenever the answer was a function, i could plug the function into the question ratger than do it from first principles (eg differential equations).
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I imagine what is going on is the answers on the multiple choice questions weren’t random and you were picking up on the pattern then retroconing a justification. Say for example
- A. 12
- B. 14
- C. 11
- D. 68
You threw out D right away because it was much different and argued that it had to be A or C because being off by one is an easy mistake. Now it’s just a question if even or odd, so you looked for a divide by 2. If found you went odd, if you found a multiple by 2 you went even.
Added to this you probably noticed a pattern. If C was the correct answer the next one was always A, etc.
If you aren’t convinced that its just really good test taking ability it would be pretty easy to use an AI and make it quiz you.
NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah I mean in some cases it’s not hard to surmise. Given the context (class, diagram) and how many numbers you have assigned, what formulas are available to you, you might be able to guess the teacher shoved the numbers into the wrong formulas to create the incorrect answers. For some classes simply supplying nearby numbers to the correct response might not be “real” enough.
Student logic is certainly a thing, but I can’t image it much help for the complexity shown in the meme. Basic geometry or math word problems as found in biology or statistics? Yeah sure
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
A teacher mentioned i had a skill for calculated guesses and my first though was “Why aren’t you teaching me to hone the skills i am good at rather then forcing me to do it in a way i have an handicap (memory).
NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because actually learning will do both. Learning only calculated guesses will only really teach you how to deal with manufactured scenarios. I won’t really even serve you much past high school.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I have to disagree. Being able to obtain close enough accurate results without needing to calculate or measure is incredibly useful on a daily basis.
Ever had to pick the right size drill or screwdriver bit out of a mix? Thats the kind of skill this most often relates to.
combined with real measurement it becomes intuitive knowledge to verify my own measurements.
In school i just had to do extra work to be able to write down a formula. I agree thats not useful but i was still practicing the same algebra to do so.
Trying to remember the formulas from my head turned out to be literally impossible for me. I got a diagnosis post education and i may explain why i developed this ability from need to make up for my disability.
Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And that kids name? Everyone Clapped.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
No, they hated me. Also because i was the only one to pass the exam, not because i was great but because the teacher was so bad that i ended up on top because not being able to pay attention in class was my default. So it didn’t make a difference how bad the teacher was for me.
Dont ask me to remember 3 different numbers at the same time. I literally cannot do it.