Comment on A fresh install of Signal takes up 410MB, blowing both Firefox and Chromium out of the water

snugglebutt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• taaz@biglemmowski.win ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Steam is close but not electron, they use CEF - Chromium Embedded Framework which is something Electron actually uses too under the hood (afair)

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  • snugglebutt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thanks for the correction, appreciate it. Not sure it changes much though.

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  • eluvatar@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Steam used an embedded browser long before it was cool.

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  • AProfessional@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Electron doesn’t use CEF, they directly bundle Chromium.

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• skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • flubba86@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I use a whole bunch of Linux distros at work (rhel, ubuntu, debian, opensuse) and a bunch on my devices at home (mint, fedora, nobara, and manjaro), and so far the only distro I’ve seen ship decoupled shared electron libs like you described is Manjaro (and presumably Arch).

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I wouldn’t mind so much if they all just used the same bundle of stuff, and you could install that once, and then the apps were all like 2MB each.

  But no, big fucking bundle of shit, every single time.

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  • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Eh, that’s not the joy you think it is.

    That’s how software used to be distributed and that’s where the terms DLL / Decency Hell come from and why programs used to not uninstall cleanly and break other programs, etc.

    It’s more efficient, but it’s also brittler and a lot more complex to manage. Conversely, bundling everything together with all its dependencies is a lot easier to manage, and a lot more robust overall, but comes at the expense of storage capacity and network bandwidth.

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    • captainjaneway@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Would be kind of cool to allow people to choose an install method. As someone who has experienced low bandwidth in rural homes, it would be nice to avoid the waste at the cost of possibly managing chromium versions myself.

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• Killing_Spark@feddit.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I really want to see the zygote approach worked out for electron. It’s working really well for android but with electron there are just too many different versions used by the different programs for that to make sense.

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• rdri@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can’t wait to see something using Rust and Tauri.

  What about sciter?

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• alyth@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Of the apps you mentioned, I can use Discord and Element in my browser. WhatsApp even installs as a PWA. And Steam games can be launched through Lutris afaik?

  There is no such option with Signal though.

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  • snugglebutt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    With Discord in browser, you lose Krisp, RPC ipc socket support (aRPC might work, no clue), and from what I remember screensharing only worked with browser tab capture.
    Element will eat your RAM no matter where it’s running. You could add it as a Nextcloud app to triple your RAM usage! Woo
    And you can’t run Steam games without the Steam client running. That’s how their DRM works. (Unless you use the goldberg steam emulator, which is a whole another thing to talk about)

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  • JoeyJoeJoeJr@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Using an E2E chat app in your browser necessarily makes the keys and decrypted messages available to your browser. They would have the ability to read messages, impersonate users, alter messages, etc. It would defeat the purpose of a secure messaging platform.

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    • alyth@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t get it. Who is “they”? Why can’t you fetch the encrypted message from the server and then decrypt it client side?

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      • JoeyJoeJoeJr@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “They” is the browser/browser maker. The browser, acting as the client, would have access to the keys and data. The browser maker could do whatever they want with it.

        To be clear, I’m not saying they would, only that it defeats the purpose of an E2E chat, where your goal to to minimize/eliminate the possibility of snooping.

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      • mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think the encrypted messages are not saved in the server. You probably have to backup from phone and restore it on pc. “They” is the other programs running on browser

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