Comment on Funny, those guys don't usually agree on that much

• BakerBagel@midwest.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Fascism isn’t just authoritarianism. It is a certain set of conditions that can essentially be boiled down to as “colonial violence against the imperial core” but it is incredibly more complicated than that.

  Words have meaning, and you should look up those meanings before you start just throwing them around.

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    that’s a stupid definition of fascism.

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Fascism has nothing to do with colonial vs imperial, wtf

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Can’t have fascism without a strong national identity and an activist military.

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      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Which again is an entirely separate thing from colonialism. The two may go together but they’re not necessarily linked in any way.

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  • KarfiolosHus@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The political spectrum is not linear, but circular and fascism and communism sit on the join but with different lie.

    Coming from a country that experienced both several times in the past century, I hope the real people tankies would just shut up and move to Russia to learn a life lesson.

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    • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      nope, the Marx Leninist idea of a vanguard party doesn’t even purport to be communism, rather the idea that you must go through a phase of state capitalism to grow the nation’s capital after a revolution (revolutions tend to destroy capital) before you can enact communism, it’s just that during the age of ML Fascism was the popular new political ideology, and Lenin did heavily base the idea of the vanguard party on a lot of the same basic understanding as the fascists did.

      and of course the fascists did what they do and killed the lefties

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      fascism and communism sit on the join but with different lie.

      Don’t leave us hanging.

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  • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Words DO have meaning, and you just butchered so many of them it’s not even funny.

    fundamentally, fascism is the belief that social hierarchies are not only natural but preferable to any other social system that attempts to disrupt said natural order, all other aspects of fascism stem from this one line of understanding

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    • BakerBagel@midwest.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Social hierarchies are always going to be present, even anarchists believe that. Fascism just assumes that they are natural and inherent, while leftists beleive that those hierarchies should be voluntary or chosen by the people.

      Just becauae you haven’t done any political reading doesn’t mean i don’t know what words read.

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      • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        the entire idea of the progressive moment is to abolish these hierarchies, then again the American “leftist” understanding is so fucked at this point that I can see you believing this, as most “communists” in the states are tankies, that would also explain the horrible misunderstanding of fascism along imperial lines, because you literally don’t have any other larger critical lens in the states, as most of you aren’t upset about the existence of hierarchies, but just have the feeling that you are not in your deserved spot of said hierarchy

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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  tankies aren’t leftists

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