Comment on unsure why we are surprised lol

• Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is Lemmy.world a cover for Liberalism, because it’s run by liberals? Is db0 a cover for Anarchism and Libertarian Socialism, because db0 is a Libertarian Socialist?

  Liberals and libertarian socialists are usually pretty open about what they believe, so there’s no cover needed. They’re not fringe ideologies like tankies have.

  However neoliberalism is a fairly hated ideology. If the people who ran lemmy.world were literally the same people running a neoliberalism sub on that instance and they also ran thatcher.love or whatever, and they banned people for saying neoliberalism was trash, then yeah, it would be a reasonable inference that lemmy.world was some sort of entryist ploy.

  It is the existence of lemmygrad combined with the behaviour of the people running lemmy.ml that makes the case to defederate. If that happens and you don’t like it, you could always migrate your account, unless you like it there, in which case you’re probably not the normie you first appeared to be.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lemmy.world regularly bans Marxist-Leninists, it is a two-way street there.

    Again, I truly don’t see how Lemmygrad taking the marxist-leninists means Lemmy.ml is a cover for Marxism-Leninism, it’s a non-political community focused on FOSS and Privacy.

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    • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Just for being marxist-leninists? Or because they were toxic assholes?

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Anecdotally I have seen Marxist-Leninists calmly arguing in politics communities banned for being “tankies.” I will admit, I do not have any examples on-hand.

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      • Gabu@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Or because they were toxic assholes?

        If that were the case, we wouldn’t see a single rightwinger over here. Unfortunately, there are many.

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    • Kedly@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “it’s a non-political community focused on FOSS and Privacy.” -moderated and controlled at least somewhat by tankies who will delete your comment and possibly ban you for saying things about tankies that they dont like

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  • rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Completely tangential, but imma be real with you: libsocs are fringe too.

    Indeed, socialism of any sort is pretty fringe in most of the West.

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    • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s a fair point, although I would say socialism is becoming less fringe, and it seems like the various types of libsoc are the main forms of socialism because people have seen the failures of state based solutions, even amongst demsocs/socdems.

      That said, I kind of agree and the word “fringe” didn’t sit quite right. On reflection a better word would be “covert”, since ideologies that explicitly want to dominate people tend to hide what they are, since they know it’s not acceptable to state their aims up front. That’s really the idea I was getting at.

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      • rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Fair

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• SkyezOpen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The whole reason this was posted is because of the users posting they hot banned from ml for stating facts that tankies disagree with.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Such as?

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    • Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The existence of the Uyghur genocide, for one

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      • Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Or calling out russian and chinese talking points. And then they have the same 10 users popping up whenever the instances are criticized saying “akshally privacy and no tanks…” (see above)

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      • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Maybe because no human rights organizations, nor the United Nations have labeled it a genocide. Human rights violations, yes. Crimes against humanity, yes. Genocide, no.

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    • Kedly@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Merely using the word Tankie has gotten me bigotry ruled recently. .ml is infected with Tankies regardless of what other people use it for.

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