Comment on unsure why we are surprised lol

• Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So do they regularly do this, or is it a thing you’ve seen anecdotally?

  And if the thing they were calmly arguing was genocide denial, then it was warranted. The tone is not the only thing that matters.

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  • Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Imagine if someone defended nazis with “they were calmly denying the Holocaust”. I’ve seen far too many tankies denying the Uyghur genocide every chance they get. Like you say, it doesn’t matter the tone; genocide denial is itself a line you don’t cross.

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    • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I can’t find a reputable international human rights organization that calls it a genocide. Human Rights violations, sure. Crimes against humanity, maybe, but not genocide.

      The U.N. rights council on Thursday voted down a Western-led motion to hold a debate about alleged human rights abuses by China against Uyghurs and other Muslims in Xinjiang in a victory for Beijing as it seeks to avoid further scrutiny.

      The defeat - 19 against, 17 for, 11 abstentions - is only the second time in the council’s 16-year history that a motion has been rejected and is seen by observers as a setback to both accountability efforts, the West’s moral authority on human rights and the credibility of the United Nations itself. Source

      If it’s a genocide, why hasn’t it been taken to the International Court of Justice?

      An alternative route is provided by the International Court of Justice, as highlightedby the Uyghur Tribunal, which stated: “It is unfortunate that no efforts have been made by those [countries who declared China to be perpetrating genocide in Xinjiang] or other countries to have the issue dealt with at the ICJ, as might happen if a country had the courage to take the matter there.” Source

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      • force@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        A majority of the countries that voted with China on that resolution were/are extremely tied to China and heavily economically reliant on China, and upsetting China enough means a potential economic crisis.

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        (note that Venezuela actually imported more from China than the US in 2020 according to some sources)

        It only makes sense for them to not vote against China, no matter their actual crimes, it would be biting the hand that feeds them. It’s a similar reason as to why almost no country officially recognizes Taiwan as its own country separate from PRC.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I dont have data on it, sorry to say.

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• TokenBoomer@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I do. I had a post removed from political memes because apparently people didn’t like the fact that a Nazi was made a chairman in NATO. Adolf Heusinger

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  • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We know that, it’s the implication that that somehow justifies Russia invading Ukraine is what makes you a tankie.

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    • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That was never brought up in the post or the comments. The post was removed for “misinformation,” when it is completely factual. The commenters first countered that it wasn’t true. He wasn’t actually a Nazi. He wasn’t a chairman. When that failed, they focused on the pedantry of “a” chairman versus “the” chairman. And I guess it was reported and removed.

      Just pointing out that the same exclusionary tribalism happens on world as it happens on .ml and Lemmygrad.

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      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And your vague-posting about it surely gives a fair and balanced account, I’m sure, but if you want to make your case, link the thread, if you think it will vindicate you.

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