Comment on degree in bamf

Dra@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They’re mentioning the race and gender basically to say “a privileged person”. Having privileges obviously influences your character. And race+gender correlate with privileges.

  So, while there’s no direct causation, and us white males who aren’t chumps don’t need to be offended, it’s often good enough of an explanation why a particular white male might be a chump.

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  • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It comes from an assumption that a person behaves that way because he’s a white male, and proliferates the assumptions that white males are normally behaving like that.

    Should there be a black woman asking the question, this wouldn’t be mentioned, even though the act would be the same. As such, this is a vicious cycle of highlighting bad behavior in white males and then saying “look, they are like that” - something that’s been done in the past to justify racism and sexism towards black people and females.

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    • kristina@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Feeemales quark

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      • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Women, if you’d prefer.

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    • chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      oh now your other comment makes sense, you think “reverse racism” is real and you don’t like people calling you out on complete bullshit like “Should there be a black woman asking the question, this wouldn’t be mentioned”. fuck you, your performative respectability games, and your shithead nazi kin.

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      • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Anything but shitstorm incoming in any of your responses? There is no “reverse” racism, there is just racism and it covers both white oppressing black and black oppressing white. Nowhere in the definition of racism a side is taken. Should be very clear to anyone who wants to approach it from a position of reason.

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    • AOCapitulator@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      lemmy.today

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      • AOCapitulator@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        reason: Nuke

        what does this mean?

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      • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Any particular issue with the choice of an instance? It’s a great and welcoming space! Unlike Hexbear…ahem.

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• chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why is ‘race’ relevant here?

  Because it’s extremely relevant in American culture. Every culture really, we’re just somewhat ahead on not lying to ourselves about it.

  What the fuck is wrong with Americans and how did they become so astonishingly self flagellating.

  Nothing and we’re not, you’re an irate ignoramus with a chip on your shoulder having an imaginary dick measuring contest because you’re super duper sensitive about race.

  Just on the insecure posture of this tweet, I’m prepared to bet cold hard cash that he asked her for clarity or something with a informational challenge “but does x not come from y?” Or whatever and she manufactured his reasoning and the rest to feel good. She doesn’t seem to know what et al means either.

  He was literally telling her to go read her own work. The “et al” part is very fucking clearly taking the piss, do they not have humor over there in Stuckupistan?

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  • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Because of the sheer scale of the issue and long history of institutionalized racism with lingering consequences, we, Americans, developed more vigilance on the issue, and I think this experience and this point of view should be considered across the globe. I do not appreciate the way you speak of it, and I’d rather have you respect, even if not immediately understand, this position.”

    -Your comment, with personal attacks taken out.

    I ask you to consider the way users express themselves around Lemmy, and keep this place nice and tidy. Personal attacks and flaming are better left to Reddit. What makes the Lemmyverse so amazing is the cooperation of kind strangers, and in the spirit of it, it would be amazing for you not to provoke flaming and aggression.

    I’m no admin and no mod, but a kind patriot of the Lemmy space, and I sincerely hope you could listen up to this and be kinder next time, even to the people who aren’t perfectly keeping to the good conduct themselves.

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    • chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      boo-hoo someone was mean to the racist troll, and everyone’s usually so nice on here! gimme a break

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      • frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The aggrieved Image crybullying is something else istg

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      • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Everyone usually is nice. Sad to see some people turning this place into a shithole. Guess that’s inevitable end of large communities?

        The person aggressively pointed out that you may have too much emphasis on the racial aspect, which is clearly demonstrated by the original post. You ended up being too blinded by your immediate need to put some rage on them and consider them nothing but troll.

        That’s very Reddit my dude. I urge you to educate on holding polite and fruitful conversations, otherwise your entire influence on the communities would be nothing but a shitstorm of uneducated and useless negativity.

        Or to speak in your terms, “boo-hoo the crybaby got triggered by a few words and shitted all over the place and now enjoys sitting right there. Maybe we should teach our little boy to wipe his ass? He’s gonna make this place untenable”

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• vallode@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I agree that the usage of “white” is irrelevant here. That being said, are you in academics? It is not an unusual situation for people to not be aware of the “face behind the maths” so to speak. Granted, this is not entirely unique to women in science but it is exhaustingly common for women to be questioned more than their peers.

  I think questioning this is fine as many people lie but I wouldn’t take this to mean this type of situation didn’t happen/couldn’t happen.

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  • Dra@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I recognise that, I think it’s important to make very clear distinctions with no sweeping statements when prescribing value to demographic groups.

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• Allero@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  While I perfectly agree with your position on that the “privilege” talk has become a weapon in and of itself, and that a lot of bullshit stories come out of it, I’d love it if you could change the tone of conversation.

  Americans are different, and they may have cultural reasons to behaving this way. That’s not to say they’re right - but seeding anger this way is not gonna magically change their minds.

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  • Dra@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is a reasonable request

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    • AOCapitulator@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      clown-to-clown-communicationclown-to-clown-conversation

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    • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m glad we have a common ground here :)

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• zartcosgrove@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is top some top tier mansplaining here. I detect no sense of irony. Chef’s kiss.

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