This is the sort of logic I’ve seen people use to justify racism. “Not all of them of course but enough, I’m just being careful”.
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Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months agoThis is a repackaging of “not all men”.
The problem with “not all men” is that there is an obvious follow up question: “which men?”
If you can’t answer that fast enough to determine if you’re dealing with a violent man, then “not all men” is meaningless to a woman who is trying to not get killed.
Also, you’re basically saying women don’t think about this. I wonder what kind of answers you’d get if actually aske any about this.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Tell me, do you know how likely women are to be killed by men vs the other way around?
Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 6 months ago
[deleted]Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
So, absolutely no interest in the subject matter then. I’ve been trying to figure you out and I think I’ve got it:
You’re using racism as a tool to deflect any talk of sexism, and to imply that saying men are far more likely to kill women is sexist against men, even though it is 100% true. And even then you’re talking about racism using anti-black racist talking points, which is extremely telling.
You’re staying in the realm of innuendo though. You’re not really saying anything. I bet if you actually stood up and said what you mean it would be horrific, which is why you’re not doing it.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Do you not know how often racists use crime stats to bolster their arguments too?
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
What are women doing with this information?
What are racists doing with their - actually twisted made up bullshit if you look into it - information?
ddkman@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Can I use this fantastic opinion to back racism as well, or is is exclusively reserved for sexism? Thanks?
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Let’s apply this logic to racism!
Black men usually get the talk at a very young age that they need to be super careful in every interaction with police or else they might be killed.
Now, not all cops are trying to kill black men in traffic stops. But if you don’t know which cops will kill you on the flimsiest pretext, then this isn’t terribly useful to a black man trying not to get killed.
Tell me, is it “racist” of these black men to be concerned about being killed by cops?
ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Cops aren’t a race. Actually basing this on racism would go something like this:
“Of the 9,468 murder arrests in the US in 2017, 53.5% were black and 20.8% Hispanic.” Is it racist for cops to be more quick to use deadly force against black people and Hispanic people because they are convicted of violent crime more often than people of other races?
The answer is yes, this is in fact racist.
Footnote: The quoted statistic is the result of systemic racism and various societal issues in the US, and I suggest people read about why there is this discrepancy.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
It’s not a perfect comparison, but the point is that these are people who are simply being extremely polite in response to avoid the potential threat of violence, and the other party is the one who has an undue likelihood of perpetrating that violence.
In both cases, the violence is the bigotry, not the worry about who might inflict that bigotry.
Some - wrong - people might say that black men worrying about being killed by a cop is racism because they are acting on information about their race. These are presumable the same people saying women are sexist for worrying about male violence. As always, noticing bigotry is in fact not the real bigotry.