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• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What are women doing with this information?

  A woman might in both cases be vary of the specific groups here, at the mildest level. Discrimination can range from very minor to large scale, very hostile behaviour. Basically your imagination is the limit for what someone might do about these prejudiced feelings.

  actually twisted made up bullshit if you look into it

  Statistics Finland, Finnish Government, the police and several university studies have made deep dives into this. But if you can show them wrong then by all means, go ahead.

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  • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re supplying nothing and asking me to disprove it. Fuck right off with that.

    And the correct answer as to what those groups are doing with the information is:

    Women are generally careful not to offend men.

    Racists participate in violence against minorities.

    These are not the same thing, and it should be obvious if you’re even slightly paying attention.

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    • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’re supplying nothing and asking me to disprove it. Fuck right off with that.

      You yourself already claimed the statistics are “actually twisted made up bullshit if you look into it” and now you are indignant that I’m asking you to show your work. But very well, I’ll supply the sources first and then perhaps you can tell me how they are “twisted made up bullshit”.

      Statistics Finland (the national statistical institution): stat.fi/…/rpk_2018_13_2019-05-16_tie_001_en.html

      Government of Finland (pdf): julkaisut.valtioneuvosto.fi/…/VNTEAS_2021_56.pdf?…

      University of Helsinki (pdf): helda.helsinki.fi/server/api/core/…/content

      Have at it.

      These are not the same thing, and it should be obvious if you’re even slightly paying attention.

      Nobody is arguing that all forms and types of prejudice are similar. The argument is that you are using the same arguments for your prejudice as those arguing for race based prejudice. But if your argument really is that the effects from one form of prejudice are better than others so it’s fine, then alright. It’s just a terrible look.

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      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Okay, so I think you knew this going in, but those are mostly written in Finnish, and since you already know I’m Australian, you probably knew I can’t speak Finnish. So like, great job there.

        Anyway, of the one that I can actually read, the problem is immediately apparent in the title.

        Foreigners more often suspects of offences than Finns

        Suspects.

        That right there is the problem.

        The difference is, racists will take these statistics - which often reveal racist policing and the effects of discrimination rather than saying anything about actual races - and twist them to a racist end, which is usually further violence towards those minorities.

        Femicide is a real thing.

        The difference is clear, and if you can’t see the difference, then maybe you don’t actually care about the people that are being hurt, and you only care about the rhetoric. I don’t know, but I do know you’re missing the point.

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