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• Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is a repackaging of “not all men”.

  The problem with “not all men” is that there is an obvious follow up question: “which men?”

  If you can’t answer that fast enough to determine if you’re dealing with a violent man, then “not all men” is meaningless to a woman who is trying to not get killed.

  Also, you’re basically saying women don’t think about this. I wonder what kind of answers you’d get if actually aske any about this.

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  • ddkman@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Can I use this fantastic opinion to back racism as well, or is is exclusively reserved for sexism? Thanks?

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    • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Let’s apply this logic to racism!

      Black men usually get the talk at a very young age that they need to be super careful in every interaction with police or else they might be killed.

      Now, not all cops are trying to kill black men in traffic stops. But if you don’t know which cops will kill you on the flimsiest pretext, then this isn’t terribly useful to a black man trying not to get killed.

      Tell me, is it “racist” of these black men to be concerned about being killed by cops?

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      • ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Cops aren’t a race. Actually basing this on racism would go something like this:

        “Of the 9,468 murder arrests in the US in 2017, 53.5% were black and 20.8% Hispanic.” Is it racist for cops to be more quick to use deadly force against black people and Hispanic people because they are convicted of violent crime more often than people of other races?

        The answer is yes, this is in fact racist.

        Footnote: The quoted statistic is the result of systemic racism and various societal issues in the US, and I suggest people read about why there is this discrepancy.

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  • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is the sort of logic I’ve seen people use to justify racism. “Not all of them of course but enough, I’m just being careful”.

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    • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tell me, do you know how likely women are to be killed by men vs the other way around?

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      • Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Do you not know how often racists use crime stats to bolster their arguments too?

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• wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I prefer to think of them as heuristics, but this one isn’t very true, you’re right.

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    • wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes, I think the empathy helps with that.

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