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peto@lemm.ee 10 months ago
There is a bit of truth here. Toxic culture and out of touch management will make people walk as well.
Thing is, there might just be a wad of cash big enough to make me put up with that against my health interests.
Fuck ping pong tables though. No one left a company because they didn’t have enough fucking table sports. If you think they are then you are the problem. Exit interview your own fucking arse.
One of the best bosses I ever had once told me that people will stay for the culture but leave for money. His philosophy was to try and ensure that money was not a factor in people’s decision, then build as good a culture as he could.
And to be clear, by making money not a factor, I mean he paid well.
I had a meeting years ago with my company’s CTO about my salary. He kicked off the meeting by saying “you care a lot more about what you make than I do” which prompted me to ask for 50% than I had been planning to ask for. He agreed to it without argument. TBF he was a coke addict married to the daughter of the company’s owner and within six months he’d been divorced and fired, but I got to keep my salary.
Was his name Kevin?
Phillip
I’ve seen companies install an whole-ass arcade room with skee ball machines and tout them like crazy. I was too naive at the time to think they were just masking a HORRIBLE company culture that makes people feel like absolute garbage.
“Mark, were you playing time crisis 3 in the arcade room again?”
“Ski safari, actually”
“You know that the big presentation is tomorrow right?”
“FUCK OFF DEBRA THIS IS MY PROCESS”
Only time these make sense is in sitcoms, and solely to show the workers interacting without doing something as boring as work.
In real life, if you’re playing Ping Pong on Company Time your ass is fired.
Gotta be sneaky about it, pretend your wireless earbuds are hearing aids and just pretend to mop the floor while you’re playing Pokemon Go
Notice how they’re always empty when they show them to you?
They don’t even give employees time to play them…
Yup. That I did notice. Definitely learned my lesson.
Reminds me of this video of Huawei showing off its copy of Heidelberg at one of their campuses: www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGOlzkK_Bsw. The streets are almost completely empty, so relaxing.
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“Man, my job pays horribly and the benefits barely cover anything, but they have a ping-pong table so it’s honestly a tough call.”
I struggle to understand how someone could seriously write something like that question without a lack of self-awareness so dire that a walk to the kitchen would come with a near-death experience. It just can’t be real.
That was beautifully put.
I think the truth is that it assuming it’s the latter may not be enough. But the first two are even less likely. Additional responsibilities WITHOUT a raise is very, very unlikely to be what anyone was waiting for to stick around.
This is what I came to say. Good management will make people stay for a long time with less pay.
But obviously HR doesn’t get that lmao.
yeah, the "not necessarily pay is accurate, but the “right” answer being ping-pong table pivots things from “ok, they have some understanding” to “incredibly tone deaf”.
This is it right here!
Last time a job tried to hire me from my current position, it was all about the money, my company was willing to compete. I stayed with the company.
This time where I’m throwing applications like campaign pamphlets, I’m willing to take a cut in pay.
It is shocking how a year can have a company go to the shitter.
The flip side is if you can’t be bothered to set aside some money for a ping pong table, as well have the sense to first ask around whether people would rather have foosball, or a proper pizza oven, or whatever the fuck, your company culture probably also sucks. A place for recreation means that you respect recreation and extend enough trust to have employees self-manage their need for it.
…of course, setting up that place only to have it be a hunting ground for micromanagers preying on unsuspecting workers is not what I’m talking about. If noone ever uses those areas, worry.
I mean not enough ping-pong tables could be reason to leave for a PE teacher or something
dabadee@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Around 2012 I had a interview with a recruiter, he asked me what kind of company you’re looking for, and I replied, one without a ping pong table, he laughed at me, I am an immigrant, left home when I was 19, so around 2008, went around in my country and EU, and already understood that whenever a company had a ping pong table it had a shitty culture
11 years after, I wish I could speak with that recruiter to see if he understood that ping pong tables are low efforts solutions adopted by shitty-environment companies and if he would laugh at me again
Malfeasant@lemm.ee 10 months ago
He had to laugh at you, otherwise he would have cried because he knew you were right.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Lol he probably just thought you sucked at ping pong.