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• Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If the source of the article is suspect, where is the research by tech firms with a vested interest in cloud and communication platforms publishing counter studies?

  I think they're right here

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  • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pick one. Otherwise you aren’t better than alt-right people on Facebook that say to “do your own research”.

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    • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Right, but you're no better than alt-right people on Facebook ignoring the research that's literally one click away because you're afraid it will disagree with you

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      • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’ve provided sources from reputable sources of journalism, you haven’t.

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• Pinklink@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Science. Is not about winning. Fuckface.

  You and people like you are literally inhibiting the progress of the human race for personal gain. Congratulations.

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  • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So there is no scientific evidence that remote work leads to more productivity?

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    • Pinklink@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ignores salient points made, what-about-isms to reassert bad point, doubles down on the science is a competition thing while illustrating complete lack of knowledge of scientific process

      At least you are consistent.

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      • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ignores salient points made

        I’ve responded to them, not ignored them.

        what-about-isms to reassert bad point

        I’ve said that, if you want to argue the studies presented, present other studies. The only one presented I had comments on and quoted the text.

        doubles down on the science is a competition thing while illustrating complete lack of knowledge of scientific process

        Science is about presenting data in a way that can be reviewed and verified. I’ve asked for studies that back up the assertions made while providing references to my assertions. Where is the data to back up the claim that remote work is more productive?

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• new_acct_who_dis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If the source of the article is suspect, where is the research by tech firms with a vested interest in cloud and communication platforms publishing counter studies?

  Probably swimming in their Scrooge McDuck piles of cash since WFH became more widespread?

  It’s the landlords losing money and the owner/C-suites not being able to see their minions in one place that are pumping out these articles.

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  • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So I go back to my original question, is there a study that says remote work is more productive? Where is the science to back it up? The science should be out there if it is true.

    And are you honestly telling me that major companies wouldn’t love to sell all their real estate and go full virtual? Why not cut that business expense to save money? Major companies have cut everything else, why not cut this too? Why wouldn’t an activist investor start pushing to release this capital as a dividend?

    Hell, you can start depressing wages, since you can source your staff from lower QoL places and use those places as your bench mark for pay.

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    • reverendsteveii@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      is there a study that says remote work is more productive?

      business.com/…/are-employees-more-productive-work…

      monitask.com/…/are-remote-employees-more-producti….

      apollotechnical.com/working-from-home-productivit…

      businessnewsdaily.com/15259-working-from-home-mor…

      and just for fun, here’s fortune straddling the fence:

      fortune.com/…/remote-workers-less-productive-wfh-…

      fortune.com/…/remote-hybrid-workers-are-more-prod…

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      • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I need to read these, but you are the first one to post several articles defending your thesis.

        Thank you.

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      • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        First off, thank you for providing. This was the most thorough list of sources given by anyone.

        The buisness.com article is based on a survey of remote workers. The survey states that remote workers feel more productive at home and that they work longer hours. This correlates with anecdotal evidence presented here, but it isn’t a measure of actual productivity.

        The Monitask.com article refers to two studies that make the claim that remote work is more productive, but one study is blocked by a paywall and the other study isn’t even linked. There is one article about a call center in China, which the Economist article I’ve posted notes that later data shows that the work was not as efficient as previously stated.

        The ApolloTechnical.com has a lot of good articles, but there are some self reporting surveys. The article does note that not all research indicates increases in productivity, including one study in 2012 and reported in the Journal of Economic Behavior and Organization that found that creative tasks see increases in productivity at home while dull tasks see decreases in productivity; I like this study the most as it seems to do more academic rigor of creating an experiment to study against.

        The businessnewsdaily.com article is another survey of remote workers, so no objective study on productivity.

        There is some good science in the articles you posted, but there are also a lot of self reported surveys. Given what you presented, I can see someone believing that remote working is always more productive.

        That said, there seems to be additional studies being performed that are making the claim more disputed. However, the articles you provide also give other very good reasons why remote work should still be allowed.

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    • new_acct_who_dis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just saw that I have responses to things! New Sync user, don’t mind me.

      Looks like you got your sources, but wanted to address major companies and real estate. Commercial real estate has way longer leases than residential. And their landlords don’t have any incentive to let them break lease early. Who else is going to come rent that space?

      Of course these companies want to “make use” of those wasted dollars. Even major companies aren’t immune to sunk cost fallacy.

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      • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Corporate leases are longer than residential ones, but they only go for 3 to 5 years generally. We are seeing a shrinking of leases because of this, which is causing office occupancy rates to plummet. We’re seeing companies shift to a hybrid model, but few companies seem to want to go full remote.

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• EhList@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The source of the article is an economist at one of the most highly regarded economics programs in the world. Im less sure that the source is “suspect” and more that people do not like the conclusions they make.

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  • MaximumPower@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yawn… even if it’s true, who give a shit. Even before the pandemic, when people had a lot to do, they stayed at home so they could focus undisturbed to meet deadlines.

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  • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah. And it isn’t like there aren’t other reasons to maintain full remote work. It just happens to be that one of the reasons may not be accurate anymore based on further study.

    I know in my line of work, employee retention is the main reason why full remote or hybrid is being maintained.

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    • EhList@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Exactly, Im not saying the conclusions are correct only that the program is one of the best and trying to portray it as biased because of that is inappropriate.

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