Comment on Cities: Skylines 2 developers have noticed 'a growing tendency of toxicity in our community'

echo64@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sorry, I’m having trouble understanding what kind of commentary you were expecting.

  Leading up to release as soon as the first reviews pointed out bad performance (see thread), many on Lemmy were bashing CO/Paradox for putting out a beta-stage product as if it was fully released, and Lemmings and people at large were never real fans of being unpaid QA testers for game companies.

  Mind you, I love this game, and there’s a lot in there that I can tell CO devs put their heart and soul in. But I see a comment or a post every now and then saying “Lemmy is becoming so toxic, like Reddit” [1] [2] [3] [4] and I’m trying to figure out what exactly has changed, if you can help me out here.

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  • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    None of that excuses being toxic around the game though.

    At most, it excuses just refunding it. And then never interacting with it or the community around it ever again.

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    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I absolutely agree. There’s a line between constructive criticism/feedback and toxicity, some cases are obvious but others I don’t know where exactly to draw it.

      Unfortunately, I don’t know where to strike a good balance to avoid both an "echo chamber where any dissent is extinguished’, and a ‘cesspool of toxic jerks talking ironically’.

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      • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Eh, for game-released-in-a-disappointing state there’s always two points for me:

        1. A personal thing, learn to not buy day 1 or even before. Let other people do that, then avoid ever putting yourself in a frustrated position by simply never buying the broken/unfinished game to begin with. Money - and time - better spent on other hobbies, or well, other games.
        2. On a specific level, I always feel that just saying “I’m sorry, but because of X, Y and Z I don’t feel like the game is in any shape to be worth the money asked” and then refunding it is the only real proper feedback to go about it. Voice your reasoning, then undo the purchase to withhold the money. That’s more than enough brain space wasted on an unfinished game you’re not enjoying, anyways.

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      • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Those that aren’t interested in the game after being let down may be best advised to refund and move on with their life.

        It’s okay to hold a company responsible for the sale of a poor product. You don’t have to give them a free pass and just go away.

        You can let them know what they did wrong, and if they’re smart, they won’t do the same wrong thing again, the next time they sell their next product.

        And any human being on the planet, when they are not listened to, will become upset and rude. The point is for any company to strive for the win-win, and listen to their customers, and not just try to sell them the next bad product and repeat the same bad cycle.

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    • pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Toxic” is different to everyone though. That’s why these comment sections always go in circles. To some people saying “paradox has no respect for us and is ripping us off by using us as beta testers,” is toxic to some. And to others it is seen as constructive criticism. So when someone says “this community is toxic”. I don’t really know what they’re saying. “Toxic” has just become a lazy buzz word that makes discussing this kind of thing pointless.

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  • Copernican@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    For me it’s the over representation of self described communists that take over every thread to poetically or unpoetically just keep saying capitalism=bad and then do shit like justify bad behavior because capitalism=bad or pretend to care about making sure employees get paid while advocating for piracy of everything being justified.

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    • Dendrologist@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • Copernican@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I have no problem discussing political opinions. I hate how every thread gets co opted by un critical hot takes for the circle jerk of up votes. It’s frustrating that any post about digital media has the top comments all saying “Yarrrr, time to sail the high sees.” Or anytime there’s any news about a corporation, the top comment seems to be “fuck capitalism and those greedy greedy share holders.” Those kinds of comments aren’t critical, aren’t contributing to any meaningful conversation. On reddit I think it succeeded when you had communities of enthusiasts having conversations about the thing they are enthusiastic about. Lemmy seems to have a lot more people enthusiastic about a political position just try to spread that on any and all communities.

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  • echo64@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m expecting this community not to say that a company deserves a toxic community and that being toxic is a totally normal and expected thing.

    A few months ago, even , this was a place where people would talk about the game news and not revel in your average Gamer toxicity.

    Now it’s just, I guess, reddit, but worse because the toxic voices are louder in a smaller echo chamber. The people who don’t ascribe to this kind of thing leave. The toxic people are all that is left.

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    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I understand your point, and agree that you have received negative replies that prove this community accepts a level of toxicity that may not have been there before. (To me it feels like the same level, but perhaps I’ve just ignored it or become numb to it)

      I encourage people to engage in these topics with a level head but there will be exceptions at times.

      eev.ee/blog/2016/07/22/on-a-technicality/

      Reading the second half of this comments reminded me of this long read I was introduced to over in Beehaw.org. Left unchecked, only the jerks will be left and the nice people give up and leave. If a slower, nicer place for discussion is what you’re looking for, Beehaw was where I found that vibe the most.

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    • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Now it’s just, I guess, reddit, but worse because the toxic voices are louder in a smaller echo chamber.

      Yeah I noticed that, too. All of Lemmy in fact. It feels like engagement is up, but only in select echo chambers of being angry about something.

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• APassenger@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ve played CS2 for weeks. Days of hours. Have completely enjoyed it.

  It’s not finished and they’re honest about that. Also, comparisons to CS in it’s finished state (easy to do unconsciously) overlook just how many DLCs it took to get to full maturity.

  I enjoy the game and have no regrets for buying. I don’t feel deceived since I could have asked for as refund.

  I think some of this is a specific kind of FOMO. Fear of missing out (on what could have been). I’m hoping they do enough to fix the parenthetical.

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Regarding specs:
    Even youtube creators supposedly had trouble (at times) running it at a consistent framerate.

    Not that I had it when I bought it…It ran fine at 1440p ultra wide and (afaik) medium/high settings.

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• Cypher@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The comments in here are really disappointing and a reflection of what this community has become, corporate bootlickers.

  Excusing companies scamming customers because gamers dared to point out the scam? All because the companies quarterly profits weren’t up enough, is a really toxic state and not what this community should be.

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  • Pratai@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    lol.

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