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• cattywampas@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  People eat meat because they don’t value animal lives like human lives. You can make a moral argument against that, and you’d have a good case for it, but it’s not cognitively dissonant.

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  • VeganBtw@piefed.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yep, but I have yet to find a single person that would way that eating meat is not a moral issue if they know about industrial livestock farming.

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    • Arcadeep@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I know about industrial livestock farming and don’t believe eating meat is a moral issue. I believe the way we treat livestock is absolutely a moral issue (as well as an ecological and health issue), but not the actual eating of meat

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      • VeganBtw@piefed.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah we can split hairs all day, but you just agreed. Eating meat, 95% of the time, includes how we treat livestock.

        In a survey, if they ask me if I think murder is a moral issue, I won’t say no because I am thinking of self-defence. Abortion is a moral non issue, because most abortions are accidental. Good talk.

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    • cattywampas@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Again, lots of them know, they just don’t care. Many people just do not care about non-human animal suffering.

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      • VeganBtw@piefed.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yes, but my point is they would see industrial livestock farming if they knew the issues it raised. I have yet to see anybody show me how industrial livestock farming, which is behind almost all instances of “eating meat”, is not a moral issue.

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• Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  They don’t care. I don’t think you are wrong for caring, just that you aren’t being realistic. The life of a chicken has little value for 99% of people.

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  • GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Everyone has a line between life that’s of value and life that isn’t. For some people chickens aren’t on the same side as them, for some nothing is on the same side as them. There are extremes that are easy to consider insane or immoral, but things start to get different shades of grey once you get away from the edges.

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  • VeganBtw@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It is exactly my point, no?

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    • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s more about them either not knowing about it or choosing to pretend it isn’t happening. Everyone knows. Actually, I think people care more about the environmental impacts than what the animals go through. It sucks but it is what it is.

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      • VeganBtw@piefed.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You do understand that my point was that it was either ignorance or cognitive dissonance and you made this comment to explain exactly that to me?

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• Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Aren’t you the guy that criticises parents for feeding their children meat despite having no kids or any background in pediatric nutrition?

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  • VeganBtw@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    What? Nope. Even if I was, what is your point? What if pediatric nutritionists told you children don’t need meat to be fit and healthy?

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    • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Well, I had a similar argument with another vegan user whose avatar was similar to yours, and my pediatrician recommended we give our kid more liver so…

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      • VeganBtw@piefed.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Well you can Google it, it’s actually easy to give a vegan diet to kids from infancy where people care about selling the alternatives, but I understand some societies that are too reliant on meat products and kids with absorption issues, it doesn’t make it a moral non-issue still, and I sure have not had a single pediatric nutritionist talk to me about liver lol

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• kestrel7_7@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I was going to become vegan if I couldn’t handle personally raising and slaughtering an animal. Turns out… I can. These goats eat a bunch of grass and weeds. I can totally ice one and turn him into tacos a couple of times a year and it’s pretty much environmentally neutral.

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  • VeganBtw@piefed.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You are just contributing to my point. See all the conditions you needed to have net to consider eating meat morally neutral there? Yeah, doesn’t apply to industrial livestock farming.

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  • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think the issue is more about the quality of life before the slaughtering. Your hand raised goats probably have a pretty good life, goat wise.

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