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• VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Okay, but if Zwarte Piet is just supposed to be covered in coal then why did they also give him giant red lips?

  It’s a little bit disingenuous to imply that Americans doing blackface is racist, but European blackface is innocent and traditional. It’s not like the Dutch had never seen a black person when Zwarte Piet was created…

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  • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    As far as I understand, Zwarte Piet started out as a depiction of a black person. But it wasn’t used, like minstrel shows were, to push hateful and limiting stereotypes of black people.

    I don’t think every American doing blackface must have been racist, but I think that given the cultural context in America, doing so will justifiably cause such massive offence that it can’t really be defended.

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    • anewfox@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      yeah this still just sounds like “it’s only racist when americans do it,” because yeesh, that explanation of where it came from isn’t helping your case.

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      • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I didn’t give an explanation so I don’t really understand

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    • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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      Idk about that one, chief.

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      • rabidhamster@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Uh, are they literally depicting a minstrel-show black man kidnapping a white woman?

        Euro racism denial is like those confederate losers who say it’s “just about heritage.” Or WWII collectors who seem to ONLY gravitate toward third reich shit. It’s such a naked “well, technically…”

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      • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Where’s the hate/limitation I spoke of? Or I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.

        I also specifically didn’t say that the reaction makes something racist; rather I said it can make it indefensible. I feel like we’re not communicating well here.

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• JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I mean, the UK had televised blackface into the 70s, so that’s not entirely accurate.

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  • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I don’t mean to say that all other blackface is innocent, that example being a perfect counterexample.

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    • 011011@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s always done to mock and dehumanize which the first stage of all persecution.

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      • Malyca@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Always? I mean, there are a lot of different applications, maybe some of them are more innocent and we just don’t know enough about them. I always recoil when I see something like that too, being quick to judge rarely works out in my favor.

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• 011011@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I love when you guys try to hide your bigotry behind “culture”.

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  • rabidhamster@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Hey guys, the continent with several countries that plundered Africa for hundreds of years and invented the trans Atlantic slave trade has never had a problem with racism.

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