Comment on Sony is losing exclusives as their games get ported to PC with AI

• Zahille7@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m not using the quote for the source, I’m using the quote for what it says.

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• thingsiplay@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The source of the quote actually doesn’t matter to me. I judge the quote itself.

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  • ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But in the source of the quote, there’s a 1h55m parable to go along with it and why you shouldn’t agree with it.

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    • thingsiplay@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      As said, I don’t care where the quote comes from and what reasons they present in 2 hour movie. I apply the logic of the quote to the discussion we have here, and decided to not agree. It is my personal opinion independent from the film. BTW I watched the film too.

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      • ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        But if you don’t care about the context that it comes from, you may as well say you don’t agree with “Greed is good” from Wall Street either.

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  • iamthetot@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You said you “never agreed” with it, past tense. I assumed you meant in all contexts, including its original context.

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    • thingsiplay@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I never agreed with it in all context I read it. I can’t disagree with a context I never read. I don’t know why you make it this complicated. I simply do not agree with it. Nothing to discuss about it.

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      • iamthetot@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m not trying to make anything complicated mate, just tried to give context to why I said what I said to you. If you weren’t aware, you are now that it’s a quote from a villain.

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• RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This isn’t necessarily true. A good villain is often written to make a good point that is to some degree or another true. Its just that they go try to achieve their noble goal in the worst way possible.

  Ganondorf in The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker is a pretty good example. Even though I didn’t like a lot about that game, the writing of his character was great. He wanted to see the peaceful wind Hyrule had, for in his own land “the wind always brought death.” Which itself is a pretty noble cause. The problem is his way of achieving it: taking it away from Hyrule.

  Another one that could be argued is Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker: his desire is better social support for people that are socially marginalized (well, one of them at least), a point I genuinely agree with, socially awkward people should have access to better social support. However, he tries to achieve it in literally the worst possible way, and I don’t agree with the way the character goes about it.

  It makes the villain more believable. No person does something evil just for the sake of being evil. Well, maybe some do, but most don’t. They usually believe what they are doing is a noble cause, and it usually is (like, providing better for my family says the thief, or ridding the world of bad people says the assassin, etc). They just use awful ways to do it, instead of better, less deadly and injurious ways.

  Obviously there are exceptions, but that’s doesn’t mean all villains are evil just for the love of the game.

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