Both sides are pretty bad, but one is significantly worse than the other
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Kushan@lemmy.world 23 hours agoNah, I don’t think the “both sides are the same” argument is anything but propaganda at this point when Obama brought in free healthcare and Trump brought in the Gestapo.
Saying this as a European.
lena@gregtech.eu 23 hours ago
skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Obama brought in free healthcare
lol no. If anything Obamacare is a textbook example of what I meant - he entered office with a Democrat majority in both Houses and the Supreme Court and a huge public mandate to get it done, and still ended up abandoning all his stated plans for a system where big business interests got their entrenched positions solidified by law.
It would be wrong to call Obama a fascist, but he did the opposite of nothing to dismantle the oligarchy that lead to where we are now.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 20 hours ago
Obama brought in free healthcare
Well that didn’t happen. He brought us a Republican healthcare plan that cemented private insurance into our system and fined people who didn’t have any. The public option got dropped because of captured senators refusing to vote on the bill unless it was removed.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 23 hours ago
The Obama administration also put children in wire fence cages.
Trump is the worst because his predecessors were bad.
And we aren’t even talking about foreign policy, we’re talking about what has been going on on American soil.
There’s is a thread that goes from Bill Clinton creating the meme of the welfare queen to DOGE.
Jaysyn@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
There’s is a thread that goes from Bill Clinton creating the meme of the welfare queen to DOGE.
That was famously Ronald Reagan. Not sure why anyone would pay attention to anything else you say after fucking that up that bad.
darthelmet@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Yeah he got that wrong, but I think this still highlights the dynamic at play. Regan pushed the horrible cultural narrative around welfare, but then he was followed by Clinton saying he was going to “end welfare as we know it.” Softer language than Regan, but pushing in the same policy direction, enabled by Regan’s earlier propaganda, and in the act of making it bipartisan, he normalized it as a position that we’ve been stuck with ever since.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 14 hours ago
Bill Clinton managed to make a bipartisan effort to reduce welfare work.
Cut me some fucking slack and stop looking at Democrats through rose-tinted glasses, for Christ’s sake.
zane@infosec.pub 23 hours ago
The chair of the Democratic party just tried to secretly meet with a known fascist and white supremacist, not to mention constantly votes against universal healthcare, or maybe I should mention previous votes supporting warrantless searches. but okay, go ahead and tell me about when I had free healthcare, because I sure as fuck don’t recall that happening.
Jaysyn@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
The chair of the Democratic party
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
That’s because you’re not the one getting $50M in eye-gouging political ads between Jon Fetterman and Memet Oz, only to see them agree on practically every issue once the election is over.
The biggest gulfs in opinion tend to be internal party schisms. Mamdani, Eric Adams, and Andrew Cuomo duking it out in an ugly NYC Mayoral primary while the Republicans just heckel from the cheap seats. Or Eric Cantor losing his job as Majority Whip to an even more virulent Anti-tax Christian white nationalist.
It’s not that Both Sides Are The Same, it’s that each side is a fractal kaleidoscope of particular nuanced views. But the consensus that emerges across the national scene tends to be constrained by what corporate sponsors are willing to fund.
Lobbyists write the legislation. Legislators rationalize why they vote for or against it with their campaign jingoisms.