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America has been punching and kicking countless countries since WWII, causing thousands if not millions of deaths (Iraqi “freedom” alone caused like 300.000 Iraqi deaths IIRC) and the second that somebody punches back and gives them a bloody nose its all crying and needing to make 50 movies about the heroes of that day, and of course it was immediately used to implement the “patriot” act (hint, it has shit to do with patriotism and everything with making the IS an autocratic state)

I get it, of course. For the individuals that died or were injured that day, it’s a tragedy, but as a country? They completely deserved it and much, much more

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moakley@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Do you think maybe there’s a way to phrase that where you’re not saying that 2,000 innocent people deserved to die?

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- NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  How about “The worlds most advanced military power allowed 2000 deaths to occur, all to further allow its parent state to tighten restrictions on free movement, increase surveillance on innocent civilians, and garner support for an invasion of an unrelated country?”
  
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  - bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It was ~3.4k total body count but yeah essentially that
    
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- phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It was well over 3000 IIRC, and I did. It was a tragedy for the individuals but as a country it was more than well deserved
  
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cmbabul@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
You’re spot on, and that said tragedy was exploited to do even more cruelty makes it even worse

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bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
What it was used to justify is unforgivable, but please remember that a population of ~350m people is not a monolith. Our government is garbage, but many of us were aware of what was being done in the name of “national security” and protesting /voting against it at the time.

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- phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Americans … protesting
  
  You’re kidding, right? If Americans are incapable of doing anything, its protesting. And don’t tell me about the sad “no kings” protests, that was nothing.
  
  I know that many Americans, maybe even most, don’t agree with US policies, but that is the problem: you’ve allowed a tiny rich minority to abuse your and other countries for well over a century and you haven’t done shit to stop that. Its gone on for so long that most left wing people in the USA are still having right wing ideas because you dont even know better
  
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  - bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    “At the time” referring to Bush-era police state codification.
    
    “No kings” responds with some shot that happened like a year ago.
    
    K.
    
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