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Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
How about food is a human right and should be free at point of purchase, lol.
I do think that people should be able to line up to get soup/stew/oatmeal/etc. low-cost food as much as they want.
Kids shouldn’t be distracted from their schoolwork and even having their brains and bodies develop poorly because they don’t get fed at home.
Adults shouldn’t be distracted at work and/or committing crime to feed their families.
yeah especially the food-at-schools issue is just so obvious. just provide free breakfast / lunch etc. doesn’t even have to be complicated, even if the schools just provided a liter of milk a day, it would be something and better than nothing.
I can at least understand where people come from when they claim that adults who can work don’t have a right to food. I don’t necessarily have to agree with it, but I understand it.
But why doom their kids? An 8 year old shouldn’t have their studies affected because they’re hungry because their parents are poor. That’s antithetical to the American Dream they tend to talk so much about.
Careful, they’ll call you a tankie for this sentiment, lol.
Naw, people get called tankies for pretending the USSR/China/DPRK were perfect and did no wrong.
Your comment translated to the right would be “People will call you a nazi for saying you think we should have borders.”
Nobody but the absolutely deranged stretches that far, but people who are that extreme do like to pretend that their entire half of the political spectrum is labeled equally extreme; strength in unity by inventing enemies, I guess.
How many bombs has China dropped in the last 50 years? There’s a reason so many people prefer China over America.
Edit: lmao at the one American or Israeli downvoter. Eat shit, fucker.
It’s 5 now, after you started going wild below. Not everyone who dislikes toxic people is an “American or Israeli.”
well, they were not saying the “american or israeli” thing without reason. i remember a few years ago there was an UN vote whether food should be considered a human right … and every country in the world voted in favor, except two … america and israel.
(since america is a veto power, the proposal didn’t pass)
Yeah that’s one of many black marks on America’s sanity, and as you remind us, particularly relevant in this way.
One of those classic “A shitty person has a point” moments (not you, them).
I will say that I’m pretty sure they had 0 downvotes until they started going Tankie Mode in the discussion I mentioned, so people seem to be downvotng based on that, not so much supporting the US or Israel.
Hell yeah. A sane man to an insane society must appear insane. Also I’m showing -3. I wonder why it’s -5 for you? I don’t block users or instances.
Also I’m showing -3. I wonder why it’s -5 for you? I don’t block users or instances.
federation issues. you might not block instances but your instance does block some other instances.
Interesting, thanks for the info!
Does ml have instance blocks?
There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch, son.
Someone has to do work to produce that food. Those people need to be compensated somehow. You can go ahead and make hyperbolic declarations about “rights”, but that doesn’t mean economics just disappears.
Yeah, those people doing the work to produce food are starving. What is your point?
You’re conflating human rights with a human need as if through sheer force of ideology you can make food magically poof into existence.
In the past, million of people starved because of this way of thinking.
Sorry, but producing food requires people to do work. When you try to make something that involves work into something purely about ideology, bad things happen.
There’s people working 60+ hours a week and also starving. Again, what is your point?
nah the reason why people are working full time in the US today is not because food production requires that much work input, it’s because of everything else.
to produce food, according to some calculations, you need about 1.2 hours per person per week on average. source: read it a while ago. 2% of population produce enough food for 200% of population, assume these 2% work 60 hrs/week, that makes 1.2 hours per week if 100% of people were working in agriculture.
the reason why the people work full time is not because food production takes that much effort, but because agriculture is not the only thing that people are busy in. so you don’t have 100% of people working “for food”. it’s everything else that takes the 98% of effort, not the food production.
The government already subsidizes food production. We’re just asking for a slightly bigger subsidy
How much bigger?
Communism Killed 850 Zillion People
so did the manifest destiny.
Two things can be bad at the same time.
That many!? Holy shit. I thought people being gunned down on the streets by inbred government goons was bad, but that means if we don’t support that then every single human on earth will die more than once!
FYI capitalism kills 10 million people a year due to artificial housing and food scarcity alone, let alone wars.
Eh. I’m not really big on focusing on terms for political ideologies. I prefer boiling things down to “don’t be a cunt.”
The people who bitch communism or capitalism killed so many people aren’t really bitching about the concepts. The concept didn’t do anything. The corrupt people in charge willing to twist things to their own benefit and accept people dying so they or their friends/allies can have more than they need killed loads of people under every political ideology.
I don’t care if I live under either of those systems, but any system should have sane and fair caps to keep any individual or organization from amassing too much money, power, or control over the whole.
Say if the US had a 99% tax on every dollar a person earns per year over 1 million, and that was all inclusive of official income, stock options, bonuses, etc, then that would be a great change. Likewise with corporations. There should be a hard cap on valuation to keep corporations from owning each other in a giant pyramid so that the bulk of companies in the nation are all under the same actual control.
The tax code should clearly be fixed to keep companies from shifting money and values on paper and never paying anything. Tax breaks for companies shouldn’t exist. If we’re calling it capitalism than a company should be able to exist in fair competition with the rest without that socialist handout for them.
Private equity groups shouldn’t exist. They create and provide nothing, they simply purchase existing businesses and lower product cost/quality and increase prices to create false profit. Since the consumer would start going to any competing business that didn’t do that, it encourages buying entire industries to enshittify them and leave people no options but the higher prices and lower quality.
Some industries should not be run for profit. There should be laws and oversight in place to ensure the things that all humans need as a basic part of life are as accessible as possible. The things that come to mind offhand are medical care, a base level of housing for individuals and families, and basic foodstuffs. As the necessities of human life, those things would be kept profit free and made available at the lowest possible cost with heavy to complete tax subsidization.
Companies would be free (and encouraged) to deal in things medical care not actually necessary such as elective plastic surgery not done to correct a physical deformity, higher tiers of housing so people have more luxurious and spacious potential options, and cooked and heavily processed foods. The base level of these things being available cheaply or free would naturally limit the amount they could charge and so their profit, which would help keep any but the most insane homes from having insane costs. People would be able to get meat and potatoes and veggies and the like cheaply and not need to worry about starvation, but Oreos, frozen pizzas, and microwaveable frozen taquitos would cost more.
You could do all of that in a “capitalist” society. Base ideology isn’t an issue. Virtually every base ideology we bicker about was created to try to help make something better. The problem is that they need to be applied with sane, rational limitations and regulations and strictly kept free from corruption.
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What kind of food? Only the cheapest supermarket type of food or gourmet restaurant too? What about food delivered from another continent? Should all of them be free? How would that be possible?
I don’t care, lol. We throw out thousands of tons of food every day.
We throw out thousands of tons of food every day.
which btw is good. imagine the opposite: if we threw away no food, that means that we consume about 100% of our food. now, if any environmental disaster hits (think of hurricanes, wildfires, etc.) then the amount of food produced will take a bump by maybe 10% in that year, ok? so now we produce 90% of the food we need … disaster.
a positive excess in production capability is the only thing to prevent shortages when risk inevitably happens.
but, what if instead of lowering the amount of food production to match what you said, we just outlaw throwing still good food out, and instead enforce a donation style regulation where leftover food that is still safe to eat must be donated or given, not wasted.
Lmfao. Literal capitalist brain at work.
Good job, little buddy!
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
i think it would be better to give universal basic income (money) and people buy food with that. why is it better? because it ensures that while people can afford food, one person does not buy 20 bread when they only eat 2 “because it’s free”.
calmblue75@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
The problem with UBI is that the ones who decide the price of things still will have a control over things.
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
as i said in another comment, you lose anyways, the question is just whether you also win some.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I don’t care how it happens.