Shaken allows to make a better mixed vodka martini with potato vodka (the one available when Flemming wrote Bond).
Stirred is better with grain vodka or gin.
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terranoid@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
Shaken let’s more ice melt, waters it down more, making it less alcoholic. He wasn’t trying to get trashed. He had people to kill.
leftascenter@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Does the alcohol type effect how the ice melts
leftascenter@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
Ni, but potato vodka is a bit oily.
Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
Aha, a knights of Ni reference !
OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But the total of alcohol in the drink is the same, isn’t it? Just adding more water to it doesn’t get you less drunk.
Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
It slows the absorption inside the stomach down a tiny amount. So you don’t get drunk as fast. But that is not really important if we are talking about dilution via some additional ice cubes.
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Yes it does… That’s called Dilution.
BitUnWise@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
You’re going to drink the entire drink, dilution would only make you less drunk if you were going to drink a fixed volume
binarytobis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
One could argue that most people don’t eat the ice, so if it melted they might have another sip or two before ordering another. Could possibly make the difference of a drink or two over the night.
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
This is like calories in, calories out and in the real world context matters.
Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, that’s not how it works.
If you have 1.5oz of vodka mixed with 3oz of water 94 6oz of water, it makes no difference. You’re still drinking 1.5oz of vodka.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
Shaking makes it colder (in my experience) and done well can produce this nice, very fine, ice crystal/frosty layer on top.
I like a nice ice-cold gin martini - this works well with the juniper in gin.
Lurker1347@fedinsfw.app 2 weeks ago
Ian Fleming wanted to portray Bond as a guy who knew nothing about fancy stuff and this was done to illustrate that. First off he drinks wodka martini’s which is a bit of a faux pas and second he thinks having a specific preference whether it should be stirred or not made him look like he knew what he was doing. The man was an orphan who grew up far away from anything elegant and most of all he wanted to fit into the Casino Royal lifestyle without knowing the first thing about it.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Pretty sure that is how spies are trained though. They need to be able to blend in everywhere, and that includes esoteric knowledge with specific preferences in order to not fall out of line with the other pompous people.
amio@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you want to blend in, getting a standout unusual and kinda “wrong” drink order would be counterproductive. In an “eccentric” enough crowd it might just pass, but the wiser choice if you’re a spy would’ve been… do more cocktail research, don’t end up going to a foofy place and ask for ice cubes in your wine etc.
Wimopy@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
In all fairness it seems like it would work. Being a complete background character doesn’t get you close to anyone, and might even be suspicious. Meanwhile a weird order is a conversation starter, and why would a spy be drawing attention to themselves like that?
Plus it does paint a sort of nouveau riche character, explaining how they might fit in a posh area while not being recognised: they’re new and they just made it to those circles. They’re someone who might not be committed to any specific factions or could potentially be more easily manipulated.
It’s a good persona to approach and be approached while explaining away any oddities. Yeah, it’s also a suspicious position, but that’s where you trust your agency to have the background checks pass.