piefed dev is very opinionated and hardcodes stuff in, gets backlash, and only then makes it opt-out. He doesn’t like certain instances so they are defederated by default. A huge huge list of websites so they are blocked by default and afaik it’s not possible to just empty the list with a button click, you have to do a manual database transaction or remove them one-by-one. There’s like a belgium filter to There’s like a whole rigmarole to setting up a piefed instance that is at 0 opinion in order to be able to go from there. But I think most damningly is the ability to ban users without it showing up in the modlog and not showing reasons for bans unless the instance issuing the ban is on an allowlist.
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Kraiden@piefed.social 3 weeks agowait, what’s this about a piefed dev doing something similar?
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Coelacanth@feddit.nu 2 weeks ago
I didn’t know about the silent bans/modlog circumvention in Piefed. That’s like, really really bad.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Oh I forgot an even more egregious part, if a person blocks you, you can’t reply to them. If you try to reply to them in a community of their server then the replies won’t even federate but will silently get dropped. And you will never know about it because they show up for you on your instance. Only if you visit the same comment on another instance will you see that your replies don’t federate.
So if blockingUser@piefedinstanceA blocks you, and you reply to a comment or post of theirs in the community NoMemes@piefedinstanceA then piefedinstanceA will say “oh blockingUser has blocked Coelacanth@feddit.nu, lets drop everything that feddit.nu sends us that’s from Coelacanth in response to blockingUser” and you will be none the wiser.
Coelacanth@feddit.nu 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I don’t like that one bit tbh.
Allero@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
PieFed (the software, so this relates to every instance) blocks links to certain websites, it is hardcoded and without a fork, you’d have to manually reallow them one-by-one (and there’s like 4000 of them).
A lot of them are blocked due to political motivations, and Rimu himself said software shouldn’t be politically neutral.
Kraiden@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Tankies. You mean tankies.
For anyone else reading, it’s not the same thing at all. There’s no subterfuge in what Rimu is doing. There’s a fucking admin interface to manage the list for a start, and the list itself is open source and categorized by reason for blocking
Suggesting that this is in any way the same thing as a secret hidden block list that contains specific users and has no way to be disabled is disingenuous at a minimum, but I’d go further and say it’s outright bullshit.
Allero@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Should it matter? As the saying goes, “first they come for tankies…”. Moreover, the blocklist covers pretty much the entire political spectrum, except exactly Rimu’s beliefs (classic liberal, strongly pro-government). Like, I invite people to just follow the link you gracefully provided and explore for themselves. It’s not just Nazis or transphobes, it is all things left and right, WikiLeaks, and more.
Last time I checked, the interface doesn’t allow to just remove the whole blocklist in a click of a button. Removing 4000+ entries one by one is a very, very questionable endeavor. Moreover, such things must be opt-in, not opt-out. Does
MicrosoftRimu understand consent?Kraiden@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I agree with you that people should take a look at the block list for themselves. Personally, I have no issue with anything on there being blocked by default. You obviously do. We are never going to agree on that.
That doesn’t matter. It’s still not the same thing, and it is NOT Rimu forcing his political views on unsuspecting users on the fediverse. You are ignoring the target of the two lists.
Tesseract: Targets unsuspecting users. List is hidden. It’s applied blindly to every user of every instance, in secret, and is truely not disableable. It was designed to be secret, which is why it presented as a network error, and was so heavily obfuscated.
Piefed: Targets instance admins. List is open source. Is applied ONCE when the instance is set up, and is EASILY disabled. I’m sorry but if your admin cannot run a simple SQL command
DELETE FROM domain, then they have no business managing a public facing instance. The same goes for them not checking the default values that are configured by set up scripts, which is ultimately all this is.When you pick an instance, you are accepting that instance’s political leanings whether you like it or not. Even if your admin decides nothing is taboo, everything is unblocked, go ham: 1st - that’s free speech absolutism, which is a political stance, 2nd - enjoy your cesspit. It should be part of your research when choosing an instance, as this is the point that you are opting-in
I chose piefed.social knowing that Rimu and I are largely politically aligned, and did so because I was tired of the shit that my old instance was allowing. You’re making it sound like he’s quietly silencing voices he doesn’t like, when in reality, all he’s doing is giving instance admins a jumping off point to cut out the worst of the extremism and propaganda from both ends of the political spectrum. I’ll say it again for the people in the back. There is nothing underhanded in what Rimu is doing, it is NOT AT ALL comparable to the Tesseract situation, and suggesting that it is, is disingenuous.