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• mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This was quickly uncovered by db0,

  The fact that it blocked instances yes, but the list itself was in for almost a year with no one noticing.

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  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We were on a previous version, so that’s why. I think that’s actually what hypercharged this drama. If I had not fell back on my upgrade schedule for a while, I would have realized tesseract was doing blacklists early on, and the backlash was probably be orders of magnitude lower. But because he had time to build this up to this monster, when people discovered it, it was a huge deal.

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    • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The shadowbanning users was added a year ago 23 July last year^[github.com/db0/tesseract/blob/…/blacklists.ts], the switch to api came on 16 November if I’m reading it right^[github.com/…/1aeac6eea393a99e29e5c078e23a0259e2dc…], at least the harcoded list gets commented out 12 November^[github.com/…/9665782066f9153dda5d3b23585bfb770f1e…] so it’s around that time. dbzer0 gets blocked 29 April^[github.com/…/2b53f17a5506b7c4b3ad1d5c26af49662f03…]. I don’t know if you would have seen that warning that got added in 10 March^[github.com/…/773eabbaba903114518ad6ccb084d8397c7a…], but God knows how big the list got between November and March already with him just able to append shit to a JSON whenever he felt like it without having to commit it. Just copy-past done. So I think the fall-out would have already been plenty big lol

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    • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hah so I went back in time to 29 April, that was a day after the whole nazi-fake, and you can see them ranting about the “crazies” even then

      https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/41866405/20277272

      > > It would be like if I had said “death to all traitors”, where you might even agree with my general statement, yet that statement hits quite differently when I had just previously called YOU a traitor. The two things combined are what makes it a PERSONAL attack > >Exactly that. I have no idea why people refuse to see that. We learned about the transitive property in 5th grade maths, and it applies here in the same way. > >> dbzer0 is getting pulled by AN into a deeper axis - solidarity among leftists I believe - while AN is beginning to become another Hexbear. >> >> … >> >> And don’t even get me started on all the logical fallacies that I see continually leveraged - goalpost shifting, taking words out of context while deliberately twisting their meaning, etc. This is all very much beyond childish, it seems rather intentional to me. > >While not exclusive to them, that’s been hexbear’s MO for as long as I’ve been aware of their existence, so there certainly seems to be some contamination originating from there. /0 is federated with hexbear but not grad. AN feds with grad and HB.
      > >One side of this feud just needs to pull the proverbial trigger already, de-fed, and whatever happens happens; things will balance back out on its own in time and ideally the violent crazies will have their space and normal people theirs. I’m so sick of the drama, the violent crazy people, the gaslighting, the DARVO-ing, the witch hunts, the conspiracy theories, the name calling, the purity tests, the finger pointing, and I’m not even active here that much anymore, so let that put the scale of this bullshit in perspective. > >> AN would like it very much pwetty pulease if they could troll users on other instances, > >That’s exactly the crux of their argument, and they refuse to even ask “are we the baddies?” and instead are DARVO-ing the situation and playing the victim.

      also pretty funny in retrospect this comment of yours

      It seems the blahaj links don’t work anymore

      Wait no nevermind. Tesseract frontend is fucking up the URLs

      ah if only we knew back then what we know now lol

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• Kraiden@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  wait, what’s this about a piefed dev doing something similar?

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  • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    PieFed (the software, so this relates to every instance) blocks links to certain websites, it is hardcoded and without a fork, you’d have to manually reallow them one-by-one (and there’s like 4000 of them).

    A lot of them are blocked due to political motivations, and Rimu himself said software shouldn’t be politically neutral.

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    • Kraiden@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      several left-wing political sources

      Tankies. You mean tankies.

      For anyone else reading, it’s not the same thing at all. There’s no subterfuge in what Rimu is doing. There’s a fucking admin interface to manage the list for a start, and the list itself is open source and categorized by reason for blocking

      Suggesting that this is in any way the same thing as a secret hidden block list that contains specific users and has no way to be disabled is disingenuous at a minimum, but I’d go further and say it’s outright bullshit.

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      • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Should it matter? As the saying goes, “first they come for tankies…”. Moreover, the blocklist covers pretty much the entire political spectrum, except exactly Rimu’s beliefs (classic liberal, strongly pro-government). Like, I invite people to just follow the link you gracefully provided and explore for themselves. It’s not just Nazis or transphobes, it is all things left and right, WikiLeaks, and more.

        Last time I checked, the interface doesn’t allow to just remove the whole blocklist in a click of a button. Removing 4000+ entries one by one is a very, very questionable endeavor. Moreover, such things must be opt-in, not opt-out. Does Microsoft Rimu understand consent?

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  • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    piefed dev is very opinionated and hardcodes stuff in, gets backlash, and only then makes it opt-out. He doesn’t like certain instances so they are defederated by default. A huge huge list of websites so they are blocked by default and afaik it’s not possible to just empty the list with a button click, you have to do a manual database transaction or remove them one-by-one. There’s like a belgium filter to There’s like a whole rigmarole to setting up a piefed instance that is at 0 opinion in order to be able to go from there. But I think most damningly is the ability to ban users without it showing up in the modlog and not showing reasons for bans unless the instance issuing the ban is on an allowlist.

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    • Coelacanth@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I didn’t know about the silent bans/modlog circumvention in Piefed. That’s like, really really bad.

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      • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh I forgot an even more egregious part, if a person blocks you, you can’t reply to them. If you try to reply to them in a community of their server then the replies won’t even federate but will silently get dropped. And you will never know about it because they show up for you on your instance. Only if you visit the same comment on another instance will you see that your replies don’t federate.

        So if blockingUser@piefedinstanceA blocks you, and you reply to a comment or post of theirs in the community NoMemes@piefedinstanceA then piefedinstanceA will say “oh blockingUser has blocked Coelacanth@feddit.nu, lets drop everything that feddit.nu sends us that’s from Coelacanth in response to blockingUser” and you will be none the wiser.

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