I wish to say that while electric cars are better than ICE cars for the environment, their lifetime emissions especially if required infrastructure is taken into account is really high, and they aren’t as “green” as car manufacturers make them seem. It’s just an inefficient use of energy and space that requires massive amounts of polluting asphalt per person using that mode of transport.
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Cruxifux@feddit.nl 6 days ago
Capitalism turning electric vehicles into a horrible, unproductive, ugly symbol of right wing fascism is wild as shit to see in my lifetime.
FundMECFS@piefed.zip 5 days ago
chahk@beehaw.org 5 days ago
This bullshit has been thoroughly debunked many many times.
tburkhol@slrpnk.net 5 days ago
Interestingly, the specific article cited is more making the case that all passenger cars are bad, and we’d be better off with e-bikes, transit, and walkable cities. i.e.: I don’t think hes saying 'EVs are worse than ICE," which is where the ‘lifetime emissions’ line usually goes. He’s saying “fuck cars, EVs not excepted.”
mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
This is the reality many don’t accept.
We can’t everyone gets a private vehicle our way out of climate change.
FundMECFS@piefed.zip 4 days ago
Did you even read the article, because no.
Vodulas@beehaw.org 3 days ago
I did. That is the one thing the article said without citing a source. It is a common anti-EV talking point and like the person you responded to said, it has been debunked. On top of that, most of the time the environmental impact of transporting and refining oil are not taken into account.
www.ucs.org/sites/…/driving-cleaner-report.pdf
It’s kind of a shame, because overall I agree with the point of the article. Increasing the ability to use bikes and improving public transit are way more efficient, but EVs are a good option in areas where those are not currently viable.
Are EVs perfect? Hell no. Should we throw the baby out with the bathwater, though? Battery technology is getting better. Batteries that don’t use high impact resources like cobalt are becoming viable.
Sorry for a bit of a rant, but sentiments like this are hampering progress
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
Car manufacturers promoting fascism are sadly a thing though. Ford loved Nazi ideology and let’s not even mention German brands.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 6 days ago
It kinda makes a lot of sense I feel that they’d fit together. You have a form of transportation that is dangerous enough that requiring government licensing is generally agreed to be desirable, meaning that if its the primary option, a government can effectively take away a person’s ability to participate in public life or make a living, and easily justify it on safety grounds. Cars are expensive, so a government can both funnel money to its partners in private industry by promoting them, and subsidize them for the populations it considers “desirable” as a means to seem like it has created abundance and luxury (see how how the VW bug came to be for example). And, a society built around cars is one that tends towards physical separation and isolation between people (because of space inefficient infrastructure and relatively quick travel outside of densely built areas), which promotes distrust of others. Thats not to say that cars are inherently fascist or that most people that promote them do so to benefit that sort of ideology, but that if I was some kind of fascist dictator seeking to control a population, Id probably want to push them into buying and relying on cars.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl 5 days ago
Yeah, thats true.