funny how israel allows the ultra conservative portion religious group to avoid service, and they are the ones constantly hounding for war.
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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 6 days agotechnically mandatory,
many are able to avoid it with national service (2 years of volunteering).
many choose to evade it by pretending to be orthodox for the period of the service, and are hunted by private investigators.
many still just chose to serve their service in a cell because they refuse to enlist.
if someone ends in the IOF, and participate in a holocaust, it’s their choice and they wanted to be there. no one can say “it’s mandatory”. that excuse didn’t worked for nazis, wont work for zionists.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 days ago
YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club 5 days ago
A bunch of my friends are Israeli and nobody should be hated for their country of origin. I’m from the US and I don’t think someone should automatically hate me because of our politicians. The people that I know served in the IDF because it was the path of least resistance, and they played in the marching band or did graphic design. You’re gonna say my ex is a bad person because he played the trombone while Netanyahu walked past him? Then I’m a genocidal murderer for having an iPhone.
Gal Gadot is just a beautiful woman and a bad actress who was briefly in a war simulation. You free palestine people just like shouting and grandstanding.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Do you think that we hate Nazis because they were German? Because their country of origin?
We hated Nazis because they were Nazis.
And we hate Nazis even if they are not from Germany.
But we also hate the Germans who were passive and accepted Nazis as if they were business as usual, it didn’e affect them. it affected their neighbours but they did not care
We hate zionists for their genocidal ideology, not because they are from Israel, there are plenty of Israelis who fight Zionism.
We hate Zionists because they are Zionists,
And we hate Zionists even if they are not from Israel
But we also hate the Israelis who are passive and accept Zionism as if it was business as usual, it doesnt affect them, it affects their neighbourss, but they don’t care.
YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club 5 days ago
I hate to break it to you but most people are just trying to live their lives peacefully. I’m an American and I hate my government but what am I supposed to do, go find trump and assassinate him and give up my entire life?
Zionism simply means the state of Israel deserves to exist. Not that they should settle and invade their neighbors. Zionism is compatible with peace. You say it like it’s a curse word. One can hate the right wing and Netanyqhu and still b a Zionist.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Zionism was born out of ethnic cleasnig of Palestinians, Zionism does not mean that Israel deserves to exist, it means that Israel should be an ethnostate.
most people are just trying to live their lives peacefully.
The Nazis living their day to day life said the same. You don’t get to passively accept an ongoing genocide and say “not my problem”.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 5 days ago
Kinda just ignoring the things she has said, aren’t you?
YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club 5 days ago
I mean they’re all pretty sexy and talented so I think I’ll keep em ¯_(ツ)_/¯
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
nobody should be hated for their country of origin
I don’t think anyone hates all Israelis. Those who refuse to collaborate with the IDF should be respected. And there are many incredibly brave Israelis who work as journalists, lawyers, etc. to help the Palestinian people.
The people that I know served in the IDF because it was the path of least resistance, and they played in the marching band or did graphic design.
Understandable on an individual level, but their silence enables Israel to continue the genocide.
YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club 5 days ago
OKay two things: 1)People in this very thread were wishing death upon Bernie Sanders, one of the most decent upstanding people to ever walk this earth. I don’t know what kind of mythical politician they want. Mamdani? AOC? They’re all doing the best with the DSA and what they have.
2)You are claiming that people who served in the IDF in noncombatant roles are still responsible for war crimes because they enable others to fill those roles. Then am I complicit in war crimes because I didn’t become a cop or go into the military? Doesn’t that mean there’s an empty spot for someone else?
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
I’m not Usian. I think Sanders and Mamdani are decent based on what I’ve heard, but I don’t know a lot about them.
You are claiming that people who served in the IDF in noncombatant roles are still responsible for war crimes because they enable others to fill those roles.
No, I’m saying they have some responsibility for the war crimes because they didn’t do anything to stop it.
Then am I complicit in war crimes because I didn’t become a cop or go into the military?
You aren’t Israeli. So as long as you aren’t selling them weapons or funding them, you aren’t complicit.
athatet@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
Wrong. Zionists who love Israel are actually incredibly ugly.
YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club 5 days ago
I love Israel and I’m not even jewish lol. Gal Gadot is fine as hell
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 days ago
you are a holocaust supporter and you will be remembered as such
ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
I 100% agree with how nobody should be hated for their country of origin.
However, actions does matter. Any participation in the IDF can by some be considered bad. If him playing trombone means someone else had to be the soldier instead of him, then it’s still contribution. Anyways these things are not black and white. My opinion is not made up entirely here, but I am leaning towards it being a contribution to their war efforts, but people aren’t exactly very mature the two years they are in IDF.
However Gal Gadot is not just a “trombone player”. She is a “trombone player” that has the attention of tens of millions of people. So far, not the biggest problem. The issue is using her huge platform to give full support to Israel for years, again and again. Even if criticized and presented with new information she keeps her full support.
If you do not consider it a genocide, then how many Palestinian deaths per Israeli is ok? 10x, 50x or 100x? Currently it is about 50x and at least 100x indirectly. That in itself can in someones eyes be justified, the problem is that it is almost just civilians, and an insane amount of children. That makes it very hard to justify. Denial of food and basic supplies is the same. The amount of journalists being killed is at a level never seen before, also. All these things that are not even remotely normal warfare, it’s almost as if it is something else entirely.
Gal Gadot acts as if your ex held speeches and wrote articles for newspaper giving unyielding support of Israel. Then not weakening his position slightly when seeing what the atrocities are doing to Palestine and its people. Then continuing giving speeches and writing articles in full support.
The difference between the two is the effect. So the difference between the two is huge.
YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club 5 days ago
I came back from the lake. I don’t accept your argument that we have to count lives in this manner. A lot of the children were combatants and it’s a war that Hamas started and Palestine overwhelmingly supports.
I think Gal Gadot is just fine, she’s just a patriotic citizen of her country. Whether you like her acting is up to you. I don’t think it makes sense to hate Israel simply because they are more successful at warfare. And iit’s really not okay to treat regular Israelis poorly because of their govt. Do you actually think Gal Gadot killed a Palestinian?
AFAIK Israel itself is over 20% Arab. Not seeing the problem here.
YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club 5 days ago
I feel bad replying to you because that was very thoughtful but I have to leave in like 5 minutes so I can’t be equally thoughtful until later. Like…it’s a war? They had a ceasefire and literally paraglided into Israel and killed and raped innocent people at a music festival and a lot of people were so drunk on rooting for the browner side that they acted like that was okay? It wasn’t even an active was and that would have been a war crime in any war. I saw the videos of them parading those violated bleeding women around and some of my friends were acting like it was justified because it was an apartheid state, but I don’t see anything justifying it.
Hamas/Palestine are infinitely more cruel, but Israel is seen as wealthier and whiter so they’re always gonna be portrayed as the villian no matter how much they baby them.
I really don’t see it as a genocide, and I have my sources and will come back to this comment later. But yeah if you shelter TERRORISTS under schools and hospitals you can’t whine when innocents get hurt? The perpetual victim shit with Palestine is so played out. If they rooted out Hamas themselves there would be no issue. Bu that random “innocent” 50 something year old woman who died and people cried about was raising and feeding a terrorist, so wasn’t she complicit?
Gotta go paddleboard will return
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 6 days ago
Shout out to that one Taylor Swift fanpage poster who went to prison over it ✊
Banana@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
The irony being that TSwift would’ve 100% served in the IOF if she was Israeli.
Echolynx@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
What makes you say that?
Banana@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
Yeah I guess she’s rich enough she wouldn’t have to.
YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club 5 days ago
Pure assumption cuz these people just like to hate