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• agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  When in history has a stateless, classless, moneyless society been implemented at large scale?

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  • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Almost like its an impossible to achieve strictly idealistic pursuit.

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    • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Which is it? There can’t be a “classic line” for historically implemented large scale communism if large scale communism is impossible to implement. You’re contradicting yourself.

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      • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Every time something is labeled communism it’s communism until atrocities happen. Then it wasn’t really implemented. Both of my statements are true. Pigs can fly if you throw them off a cliff but pigs never had wings so they could never fly. Both statements are true.

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  • timestatic@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The stateless version is an ideal that will never be reached with so many people around lmao

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    • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Unironically depends on how you define “state”.

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  • OS2Warp@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Image

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  • csolisr@hub.azkware.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The alternative is, of course, everyone becoming self-reliant hermits and very good luck with that

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• sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It almost suggests it can’t be done!

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  • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Almost

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• DoubleDongle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The problem is that proper communism is functionally impossible, and every crackpot despot in the last hundred years has wanted to get a little street credit with the working class by slapping socialism or communism on their brand.

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  • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thats what I said

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  • kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Proper communism has been done at a small scale many times, e.g. in Catalonia during the Spanish civil war. Its main point of failure has been insufficient ability to defeat violence from without.

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  • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Proper communism is functionally impossible at the present day. It is possible that after generations of widespread automation and gradual socialism, people on average may come to be able to exist communistically.

    You are correct though that historical examples have typically just been slapping an ideological label on a system that was neither socialist nor communist in practice. I mean, communism doesn’t even make semantic sense below the global level.

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