Comment on Fallout 5 officially in pre-production, being built on Elder Scrolls VI engine

Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• FarceOfWill@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  That jank engine is what makes the bethesda games modding community work.

  If they give it up theyre throwing away a huge advantage, and we will get worse mods.

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  • Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I really don’t want to have to spend time figuring out which additional things I need to install to make their games good. I’d rather they were good out of the box.

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    • FarceOfWill@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I feel like you shoukd play games by other companies

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      • Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Perhaps Bethesda should. Might do them some good to know how far behind their tech is compared to their competitors.

        I’m surprised that “I’d like games to not need mods to be good” is somehow controversial.

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I keep seeing this sentiment in this thread, like Unreal isn’t just as easily modified. Doesn’t even need a specialized toolset; you just use the engine tools that are freely available.

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• mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  First off, you clearly haven’t played a Bethesda game since Skyrim. Bethesda has actually been making a ton of improvements to the engine over the years.

  Second, rethink what you said. Do you really think every other engine isn’t continually updating the same engine over the past several decades?

  Unreal Engine 6 is about to release. Do you seriously think that Epic is completely rewriting the engine from scratch for each version?

  Do you really think that Unity is getting a ground-up rewrite every few years? Or GameMaker? Or Godot?

  No developer is going to throw away a giant body of software and start over from scratch if they can help it. It’s absolutely insane. You take what you have, and upgrade it and adapt it for what you need.

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  • Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    1. Your assumption is completely incorrect.

    2. It isn’t that the engine is an iteration, it’s that it’s an iteration of an engine that is legendarily janky.

    Now, when I say “engine” I’m using it as short-hand for “the way Bethesda uses the engine, its associated tooling, and media”. I’m aware that the GameBryo engine (or whatever they’re calling its latest descendant) can be used to make stuff that’s decent, but the open world RPGs that Bethesda uses it for are a terrible fit for it.

    Their games succeed despite the engine, not because of it, and I’d love to see them build on something that I don’t pick up and immediately go “Yep, it’s another game using their technology”.

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    • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      1. Your assumption is completely incorrect.

      it’s that it’s an iteration of an engine that is legendarily janky.

      Pick 1. Fallout 4 was stable. Starfield actually did have fairly few bugs, about on par with most AAA games on release. They’ve gotten a lot better over the years. Again, if you’d actually played any of their games since Skyrim you’d have seen that.

      the GameBryo engine (or whatever they’re calling its latest descendant) can be used to make stuff that’s decent, but the open world RPGs that Bethesda uses it for are a terrible fit for it.

      You have absolutely no fucking clue what you’re talking about. At all.

      Could my notifications on here, for once, not light up with someone picking a fucking fight with me over dumb bullshit?

      Then don’t say dumb bullshit that isn’t even consistent.

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      • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Fallout 4 was stable

        lmao

        It wasn’t stable at launch, and still isn’t that stable now even after all the fixes both official and unofficial.

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      • Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Then don’t say dumb bullshit that isn’t even consistent.

        Take your own advice and get the fuck out of my mentions.

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Building your house on a solid foundation is great.

    Building your house on a foundation of sand isn’t.

    GameBryo is a foundation of sand.

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• VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  They’re making it in Creation 3, which is almost certainly a new iteration of Gamebryo/Creation Engine.

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  • Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Hooray.

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