Comment on Record 128 people cross Channel in one small boat

Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I prefer to call a spade a spade.

  Also, I’m not sure that people in small boats are making anyone look bad, I think it’s more the rhetoric and latent xenophobia.

  First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist

  Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist

  Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist

  Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew

  Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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    • horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Except there’s not one person crossing in a small boat who is a good person.

      I mean this is such an outrageous statement that I will not engage with you further than to say this:

      These are clearly desperate people. In my view there is nothing so inherently great about Britain that it is worth paying tens of thousands of pounds to get into it on a death dinghy.

      There are no good and bad people, no good and bad immigrants. You’ve bought into a lie.

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        In my view there is nothing so inherently great about Britain

        There is, we’ve got a great welfare system and healthcare system, lack of corruption, good opportunities and high levels of tolerance. We are a great country.

        These are clearly desperate people… it is worth paying tens of thousands of pounds to get into it on a death dinghy.

        This is just outright illogical and doesn’t make a lick of sense. There in some cases is less risk and definitely more reward to taking a dinghy than there is to speeding, drunk driving, driving without a seatbelt, cycling without a helmet, etc. People do that all of the time. Whenever someone causes an accident by speeding, do we apply the same logic? “Your honour, he was clearly desperate. Nobody would risk their life like that for no reason”. Of course not. I’m not singling out countries for any reason, but in India it’s normal for people to just sit on top of trains. I’ve seen videos in other countries where if the bus is full, people just hang off. People scale buildings. Even here in the UK people put their lives at great risk building bonfires every year by scaling them without any safety equipment. People definitely do risky things all of the time, often for fun or to save minutes of time.

        The dinghies are coming from france. It’s a safe country. There’s no way this is done out of desperation at all. Any desperation that is there isn’t enough to warrant breaking the law.

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    • Kuori@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      people like you should be shot in the streets

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Because I don’t support an abolition of borders?

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    • matt1126@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’m curious what you consider the legal routes for entry are for asylum seekers and refugees?

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Most asylum seekers have entered the UK legally, it’s just that a change of circumstances means they cannot return home. There are also some people who may stow away or use a forged passport to get on a plane to the UK from an unsafe country. Probably not as sound, but still legitimate.

        Also, resettlement schemes, if any are held. But if they aren’t held, this doesn’t automatically entitle people to break in illegally. They happen on our terms.

        The issue is whenever you come here from a safe country. That’s not fleeing war. That’s just acting entitled and showing disregard for our nation. The type of person who does this is likely to show disregard in other ways, too.

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• hanrahan@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  ex pats ? whatever term you use is a subset of migrants … they’re still people moving and looking for a better life, so they are migrants.

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    No, I mean a new term to describe this specific method. It’ll be a subset, but it’ll take a load off of the rest of the superset. It also makes discussing the issue easier.

    It’s funny, because I am rather open on immigration, but people crossing the channel from safe countries is not okay at all.

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• tazeycrazy@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Like the word used for mentally disabled people moves to become a slur and we collectively need to find a new word. So will the word for those moving across borders. We need to shift away from the demonisation of migrants and let the integrate into the community without making there class something to be ashamed of.

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I have no issue with migrants or even asylum seekers for that matter. My issue is specifically people who try and game the system to immigrate to the UK. I actually think our current legal immigration rules are too strict.

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    • hanrahan@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I actually think our current legal immigration rules are too strict.

      which is why they do it “illegally”. It’s a little like drugs, making it more illegal wont stop it.

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yeah no, that’s not an excuse. You aren’t entitled to come to the UK. If someone is willing to disregard our laws to come here, then they shouldn’t come here or be allowed to come here.

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    • robear@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      There’s a good chance your ancestors came to the UK by boat.

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Legally.

        I fail to see how that point is relevant. Unless you’re one of those people who’s whole schtick is “border controls should not exist at all”

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• jimmy90@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  tourists, customers?

  they pay organised crime a bunch for the trip

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Well, no, because most tourists and customers are good people.

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