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vapeloki@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoGerman here. Is there any real image of the tattoo anywhere? I could only find some images with a big black blob.
Vittelius@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
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vapeloki@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoGerman here. Is there any real image of the tattoo anywhere? I could only find some images with a big black blob.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
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irish_link@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The issue with this kind of stuff is history. As a 40 you’re old American, whose grandfather served in World War II, I had no idea what that tattoo meant before this whole scandal.
The only symbolism we ever went over in school was the flag and swastika. I believe they thought dumb kids would mimic the iconography to look edgy.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I keep saying this but idiots keep telling me I must have been a dumbass not to recognize it. I told them to show me a single screenshot of this symbol appearing in any media that depicts nazis or WWII and they couldn’t provide one, they just kept deflecting and calling me a dumbass.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
It’s on every SS uniform
vapeloki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf_(Symbol)#/media/D…
irish_link@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I fully admit I am not the smartest or best student of history. However I recall no lessons un symbolism in any history class other than ancient Egypt and Neolithic era or late Stone Age.
Make not mistake I am not supporting any hatred other than towards Nazis. However when I first saw the image I honestly thought it was from Warhammer or something.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I love how the main defense is “bro we all are so ignorant about history that we don’t know one of the most recognizable symbols of the nazis, but trust, we can definitely tell this guy isn’t one”
irish_link@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think you’re missing my point. And YES, I just told you it wasn’t part of my history lessons. Are you based in the U.S.? If so, eastern, western, north, south, midwest? They all have different types of history being taught in school. For example, in the southeast there was a much bigger unit on trail of tears than in the Midwest. Also I bet if I asked you the name of the fertility statue from the Paleolithic you wouldn’t know it because it wasn’t part of your history lessons. Clearly that version of the totenkopf image was part of your history lessons or part of your history.
If you asked me what skull a bones together mean I would have said pirates and I would have been right because that’s the version of totenkopf I know. As I have now done a quick read on Wikipedia I must disagree with you about it be one of the most recognized symbols. How can it be one of the more recognized symbols if the main use was in concentration camps. They weren’t flying it all over or even putting it on all the uniforms. So yes, please accept that many people don’t know it.
Also no I didn’t say “ohh no this guy is totally not a nazi” but by all means put words in people’s mouth and ignore what they’re saying as it seems you do constantly. What I’m saying is most people I know, don’t know that symbol and thus can readily believe he didn’t know either. Thus the issue with pointing to it and saying “see this guys a nazi” is history lessons. If you’re going to point to shit, point to his words and comments not a tattoo.
Am I going to go dive into this guys Reddit history and learn about him, no. I will not be voting for him and I won’t be voting for his opponent. Not my area and thus I don’t need to go learn all the shit about him.
vapeloki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ok, after some closer look, it could resemble the SS “Mützenabzeichen”, but it could also just be a generic skull.
BTW, the British atme are no nazis are they? www.army.mod.uk/…/royal-lancers/
I can not say what exactly that tattoo was there is no clear image I found, so I can not jump to conclusions in any direction.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
The British symbol looks nothing like a totenkopf, the tattoo looks exactly like a totenkopf, 1-to-1 on every detail, no matter how much people try to pretend otherwise.
Image
vapeloki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you have an image that shows that much detail, please provide it. I really want to see it. I have not seen any. I see some. Black outlines that’s all.
And from what I can see, the eyes would be different than on the SS version, and details in the bones are also not visible.
Still, it could be like you said the exact version. I can not tell.
And of course does the UK skull not look like this. But: skull on bone is a common symbol. Look for the example at this pre-nazi Symbol.
If we don’t question the given facts, and form our own opinion, we are not better then the real Nazis.
Discrediting political opponents was fire part of their playbook.
(I am a German anitfaschist, breaking Nazi bones since 2000, and I am not here to defend anyone, just to animate independent thinking)
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
He doesn’t even deny it though?? He confirmed it was a totenkopf in interviews with cenk uygur for example. Good god, the amount of proof you all require to confirm that the tattoo of a guy defending people getting SS doppelrune tattoos, goes on murder spree’s in west asia and sexually assaults women matches the SS Totenkopf just to confirm that what? He actually is a piece of shit??
vapeloki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I do not need nothing.
Why should I care? I want to understand, that’s all. Maybe just read my other comments…
And, maybe you should read the fucking comments of him defending the SS dudes. He is not a nazi. He is just as stupid as one.
On the rape, no idea. Of course, believe women and investigate, but still, assumption of innocence holds.
But after all, America vote a class of Nazis and Neop Babies into power. A convicted rapist, fraud and openly corrupt man.
But hey, this dude is your biggest problem ATM?
Yeah. Nobody can help America anymore. You are lost
vapeloki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thanks a lot!