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protist@retrofed.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The “OG pepper” is likely already gone, since the Capsicum genus started branching off 17mya, way before we [humans] colonised the Americas. It was probably some species in the Andes, where you have the biggest clade diversity, including barely domesticated species, like C. chacoense; and wild ones, like C. eximium:

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  If I had to take a guess chiltepín is probably a landrace, a wild-ish descendant of domesticated C. annuum.

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  • robocall@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You seem like an authority in the subject because you used the scientific names instead of the common names, so I’ll take everything you said has fact

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    • lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m not authority by all means. Just someone who’s cross-breeding peppers at home, and had to read about this stuff to know if my goal (four custom pepper varieties) is even viable with the varieties I have at hand.

      The reason I used species names is because it’s cleaner — plenty species have multiple cultivars, cultivars often have local names, and some of those don’t even have an English name.

      so I’ll take everything you said has fact

      Please, don’t. It’s good to check info people mention in social media.

      Info on diverging 17mya: scientificamerican.com/…/feel-the-burn-new-world-…

      Biggest clade diversity being in the Andes: check this map, focus on Bolivia. The association between clade diversity x geographical origin is a common rule of thumb biologists (and linguists) follow.

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  • protist@retrofed.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Well if you’re going back millions of years to extinct species, sure lol. Glabarisculum definitely may be a landrace, but it’s also still the likely progenitor of all extant Capsicum annuum varieties

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    • lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Well if you’re going back millions of years to extinct species, sure

      If you don’t, then there’s no “OG pepper”. Multiple species in the genus have been domesticated, cross-bred, spread, and used by funny monke “MOUTH HOT”.

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      • protist@retrofed.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        People are fish. You’re inventing strict definitions that do not exist 😂 And we don’t even know that it’s a landrace for certain, you just said you’re “guessing” this

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The original pepper was a fish!

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      • protist@retrofed.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s fish all the way down

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• jodanlime@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  20k-140k SHU is a big range, not the hottest around but it might be a bit like gambling! Habanero is around 150k so in the same ballpark.

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