Comment on This Apple Lie at the grocery store

AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• Buckshot@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The difference is the others don’t require a tropical environment to grow. So you can grow them without any deforestation.

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  • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Globally, palm oil occupies approximately 19 million hectares (about 47 million acres) of land.

    Despite supplying over one-third of the world’s vegetable oil, this footprint is remarkably small—using less than 10% of the total land allocated to all oil-producing crops worldwide.

    Where are you suggesting to find another 500 million acres of land, a tad more than the size of Alaska, without environmental impact?

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    • Einskjaldi@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The obvious answer is some of the Land used to grow soybeans and corn for animal feed.

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      • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        By that logic though, imagine how much land we could reclaim for other purposes (including reforestation) if we shifted more existing farmland towards palm oil.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      we make them. with environmental impact because you can’t exist without it, but we do what we can to minimize it yes. We got a shitton of land out in texas that is being used as oilfields. get some environmental remediation out there first to make it suitable for farmland, use some of the grassy areas as well, and there’s a good quarter of that chunk at least.

      and I’d bump that up to like 650million acres, because we’re not using prime farmland to get this oil. yields will probably be less.

      but like, the room to grow this is there.

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      • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Ok. Texas is 170M acres. We’ve allocated Texas, that’s 30% of what we need. Which other US states can we sacrifice?

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• captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Do butter.

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  • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Can’t tell if you’re making a pun or being serious :)

    In case you’re being serious, I’m pretty sure we’d need magnitudes more land and methane emissions for butter.

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    • SGforce@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The cow is not killed when butter is harvested. But they do need to be fed, so I’m not sure about that.

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      • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        The grass and/or grain the cow eats does though.

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      • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Animals take up a ton more space than do plants. I’m sure you’ve heard all the arguments at some point for moving away from meat. I’m not going to rehash them (especially since I’m a meat eater), but it’s just a question of how many magnitudes more land cows would use, not if they would use more land.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I was being serious; figure up the tons per hectare per year of butter production.

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      • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Google says 250kg per hectare, So about 6% of palm oil productivity. About 15x the land usage.

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• consumptionone@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Aren’t some of those plants grown in plains? I don’t think the yield per hectare is the whole story. Palm oil is tropical, leading to deforestation, but at least some of the others you listed are not.

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  • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Globally, palm oil occupies approximately 19 million hectares (about 47 million acres) of land.

    Despite supplying over one-third of the world’s vegetable oil, this footprint is remarkably small—using less than 10% of the total land allocated to all oil-producing crops worldwide.

    Where are you suggesting to find another 500 million acres of land, a tad more than the size of Alaska, without environmental impact?

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    • consumptionone@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Why are you moving the goalposts? In your first post the goal was without further deforestation of rainforests, but in your reply, you changed the goal to without environmental impact. As long as global population growth is a thing, the former is possible, the latter not so much.

      I’ll admit I’m not terribly interested in this topic. I only replied to your comment (at the same time as another commenter making a similar argument) because you come off as a shill for palm oil, which is odd.

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      • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’m not trying to write a thesis and pick exact words here. Let me move the goalposts back.

        Where do you suggest to find 500M acres without deforesting something and driving a few more species extinct?

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