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AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
For all those decrying the ethics of palm oil - you are aware of the yields per hectare of the various plant oils, right?
- Soybean: 0.47 ton oil/ha/year
- Sunflower: 0.78 ton oil/ha/year
- Rapeseed: 0.74 ton oil/ha/year
- Palm Oil: 3.36 tons oil/ha/year
Would anybody like to suggest how to switch away from palm oils without deforesting what remains of the Amazon?
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Can’t tell if you’re making a pun or being serious :)
In case you’re being serious, I’m pretty sure we’d need magnitudes more land and methane emissions for butter.
SGforce@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
The cow is not killed when butter is harvested. But they do need to be fed, so I’m not sure about that.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 13 minutes ago
The grass and/or grain the cow eats does though.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Animals take up a ton more space than do plants. I’m sure you’ve heard all the arguments at some point for moving away from meat. I’m not going to rehash them (especially since I’m a meat eater), but it’s just a question of how many magnitudes more land cows would use, not if they would use more land.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
I was being serious; figure up the tons per hectare per year of butter production.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Google says 250kg per hectare, So about 6% of palm oil productivity. About 15x the land usage.
consumptionone@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Aren’t some of those plants grown in plains? I don’t think the yield per hectare is the whole story. Palm oil is tropical, leading to deforestation, but at least some of the others you listed are not.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Globally, palm oil occupies approximately 19 million hectares (about 47 million acres) of land.
Despite supplying over one-third of the world’s vegetable oil, this footprint is remarkably small—using less than 10% of the total land allocated to all oil-producing crops worldwide.
Where are you suggesting to find another 500 million acres of land, a tad more than the size of Alaska, without environmental impact?
consumptionone@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Why are you moving the goalposts? In your first post the goal was without further deforestation of rainforests, but in your reply, you changed the goal to without environmental impact. As long as global population growth is a thing, the former is possible, the latter not so much.
I’ll admit I’m not terribly interested in this topic. I only replied to your comment (at the same time as another commenter making a similar argument) because you come off as a shill for palm oil, which is odd.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
I’m not trying to write a thesis and pick exact words here. Let me move the goalposts back.
Where do you suggest to find 500M acres without deforesting something and driving a few more species extinct?
Buckshot@programming.dev 7 hours ago
The difference is the others don’t require a tropical environment to grow. So you can grow them without any deforestation.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Where are you suggesting to find another 500 million acres of land, a tad more than the size of Alaska, without environmental impact?
Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
The obvious answer is some of the Land used to grow soybeans and corn for animal feed.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
By that logic though, imagine how much land we could reclaim for other purposes (including reforestation) if we shifted more existing farmland towards palm oil.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
we make them. with environmental impact because you can’t exist without it, but we do what we can to minimize it yes. We got a shitton of land out in texas that is being used as oilfields. get some environmental remediation out there first to make it suitable for farmland, use some of the grassy areas as well, and there’s a good quarter of that chunk at least.
and I’d bump that up to like 650million acres, because we’re not using prime farmland to get this oil. yields will probably be less.
but like, the room to grow this is there.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Ok. Texas is 170M acres. We’ve allocated Texas, that’s 30% of what we need. Which other US states can we sacrifice?