What do you mean by karma? Europe is doing the most to stop global warming.
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rumschlumpel@feddit.org 17 hours ago
Helps that Europe is warming faster than the global average. Karma, I guess.
ji59@hilariouschaos.com 15 hours ago
GreatTitEnthusiast@mander.xyz 15 hours ago
Source? Not to say they aren’t putting in a ton of effort and making great progress. It’s just hard for me to see them as the biggest force in stopping global warming when China built an entire Germany of electrical capacity last year and almost all of it was renewables
Their manufacturing leadership has brought solar and wind down so cheap that it’s no longer economical to use create non-renewable generators in most cases. They’re also doing a fantastic job producing new electric cars and industrial scale batteries
China is still massively polluting but they’re showing a kind of leadership on climate change that I wish I saw in America
I’m curious to hear your take on why Europe is doing the most on climate change
ji59@hilariouschaos.com 1 hour ago
I remember I saw a statistics that China is producing twice more emmisions per person and USA four times more.
And I found this is pretty website with a lot of comparison Our World in Data - CO2 Emissions. Europe was producing almost exclusively til 1900 but since then USA dominated until China took over in 2000. According to the page, EU was responsible for 6.3% of all emissions in 2024, and Europe in total for 12.7%. Pretty much equal to USA emmisions. And while it is much more then South America, Africa and Oceania, it is still a fraction of Asia emmisions.
ladicius@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
China is polluting because they produce the European and American stuff over there. On their own they’d still pollute but much less.
TheWolfOfSouthEnd@lemmygrad.ml 14 hours ago
There are probably still plenty of people knocking about that will tell you “China is building a coal fired power plant per week”.
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 8 hours ago
It’s documented in every COP report. Our electricity is mostly carbon-free thanks to renewable and nuclear. Our industry is gone to China. Heating with fossil fuel is being replaced with electric installation and heat pumps…
China was polluting a lot more, that’s where a lot of room for improvement existed.
Seppo@sopuli.xyz 15 hours ago
Karma for what?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 14 hours ago
Europe (alongside the USA) has been releasing disgusting amounts of climate change-inducing gases since the 18th century, and they (alongside the USA) were the main profiteers of climate pollution until the latter half of the 21st century. Arguably still are, though China etc. also play a part now.
Granted, this treats nations as monoliths, it’s not like the population of most countries really had a choice for the most part.
Tehdastehdas@piefed.social 6 hours ago
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 7 hours ago
In context: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?time=earliest..2024
Per capita Europe is close to world average. Your comment makes no sense.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 hours ago
Right now, yes, but for the vast majority of history it wasn’t even close. Your link shows that China only met the EU’s per capita emissions in 2013, when climate change was already pretty far along.
Chaf@slrpnk.net 3 hours ago
Nice of you to side-track with current emissions (per capita even), and not cumulative historical emissions, which were actually mentioned.
Feel free to compare different countries yourself: ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-metrics (I’m not sure why ourworldindata doesn’t just put all of this on one page instead of splitting it up. It’s always a hassle to find the right one) The more interesting comparison might be high-income vs low-income countries.
To get back to the discussion: Yes, Europes share is not as huge as it used to be, and it’s getting lower, but what can be seen from @Tehdastehdas@piefed.social graph is that that’s less due to Europe behaving better and rather due to other countries polluting more. Not a good argument for saying “Europe is doing better now”
FundMECFS@piefed.zip 1 hour ago
Yet those most affected by heatwaves are elderly and chronically ill people who can‘t afford proper cooling technology.
It‘s not hurting those in power, it‘s hurting those already marginalised.