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I had an argument with my uncle once. In Germany, there is “Pfand” on bottles and soda cans. You pay a little extra when you buy one and when you return it to the “Pfandautomat” you get back the extra amount. He was arguing that this is somehow indoctrination by the state to condition us to follow rules. I have avoided conversations with him since

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Viceversa@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

this is somehow indoctrination by the state to condition us to follow rules

Will, it is, but that’s not the bad case of it.

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- fleck@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Haha touché. Maybe I should have added that he is a conspiracy theorist (of the Reichsbürger kind)
  
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  - Zwiebel@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    As if Prussia wasn’t specifically known for their obrigkeitsgehorsam
    
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krisevol@lemmus.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
In California you pay “crv” of 10 cents on a can, and you really can’t get it back. The can has to be in perfect condition, you can only return a few at a time, and most places don’t even do crv returns. It’s literally a scam that we have accepted.

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- SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  What? Why in perfect condition? Aluminum is aluminum. Is only taking a few at a time protecting against fraud or homeless people trying to make some money?
  
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- fleck@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I would say the German system works pretty well and is well accepted but the outrage when they ruled that the lid on plastic bottles needs to be attached to the bottle was beyond infantile
  
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lechekaflan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

He was arguing that this is somehow indoctrination by the state to condition us to follow rules.

Has to be trauma of living in a police state.

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