Comment on The Projected Truth

• lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  [Warning: bar philosophy. Might include ramblings, booze, chain smoking, and fried snacks.]

  And yet, gravity is still there.

  Even if simultaneity is relative, the phenomenon is still there, you know? You can claim something fell before or after another event, but you can’t really claim it didn’t fall. And you can’t claim two simultaneous events stopped being simultaneous if they’re stationary for you, so it’s less of a “truth is relative to ME! ME! ME!” and more of a “truth is relative to that speed”. It’s still an objective matter, not a subjective one.

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  • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    so it’s less of a “truth is relative to ME! ME! ME!”

    This, I think, is an argument that exists in your head only. An excellent example of relativity, if I’m being honest.

    I don’t understand why subjectivity makes people so uncomfortable. Like, people would fight each other over the objectively correct temperature for the AC of their building if you let them—I just, I don’t get it.

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    • lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This, I think, is an argument that exists in your head only.

      This is blatantly false. The argument exists in the comment I wrote. If it existed only “inside my head”, you wouldn’t access it. Because nobody knows what’s “inside someone else’s head”, nor we (people in general) should lie = assume = bullshit otherwise.

      An excellent example of relativity [SIC - subjectivity], if I’m being honest.

      Also false. While I believe my argument is correct, there’s also the chance it’s incorrect. If it is correct, my belief is true. But if it is incorrect, it won’t magically become “true for ME! ME! ME!”; I’d be simply holding a false belief. But either way, that depends on the argument itself, not on the fact I’m the one voicing it or analysing it or whatever. The subject here (me) still doesn’t fucking matter. And that’s bloody common sense.

      I don’t understand why subjectivity makes people so uncomfortable. [implied* by context: “relativity makes lvxferre uncomfortable”.]

      Okay… first off, let me address the most pressing matter: in no moment you showed that this “truth is subjective” babble would be even remotely true.

      Secondly. You’re making a bloody mess of “relativity” and “subjectivity”, as if both were synonymous. Get shit right dammit — subjectivity is a specific type of relativity regarding the subject. Showing time is relative to speed does jack shit to prove things would be relative to the subject, i.e. “gravity is false for me lol I’m jumping from the building!”.

      Thirdly. Why are you bullshitting = assuming = lying about what I’m comfortable or not with? You have no way to know it, don’t lie you do. I’m not uncomfortable with subjectivity. I simply consider it such inane bullshit, that I’m outright mocking it. Just like I’d mock flat Earth, souls, zodiacal signs, aliens visiting Earth on weekends, et cetera.

      Finally, drop off the Reddit style sealion: “I dun unrrurstand” followed by bullshit? Seriously, keep this shit in Reddit.

      Like, people would fight each other over the objectively correct temperature for the AC of their building if you let them—I just, I don’t get it.

      Gotta love assumptions…

      Not wasting my time further with you.

      *see Gricean maxims, specially the one of relevance.

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      • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Showing time is relative to speed does jack shit to prove things would be relative to the subject,

        With this attitude, I just don’t feel like you’d be living up to Einstein’s manner of thinking. Just too rigid.

        in no moment you showed that this “truth is subjective” babble would be even remotely true.

        Uh. Subjectively, I think it’s true.

        I really don’t think you even understand what I was trying to say with all that.

        i.e. “gravity is false for me lol I’m jumping from the building!”.

        Who is saying this?

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• marcos@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If you jump out of a bridge, you will still break your face on the ground for every reference frame outside of a black hole.

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  • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I believe that’s true, yes. Your point?

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• Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Sure, if you’re traveling near the speed of light. For everyone on Earth, no one has ever experienced this (beyond a micro level that doesn’t matter and no one is discussing).

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  • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why do you think I disagree with this?

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