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Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• toxicbubble@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  kids are indoctrinated from school to seek out “high skill” jobs and look down on anyone making less

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  • stickyprimer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I teach my kids to seek out high skill, high paying jobs and not look down on anyone. But even that is not a solution.

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• pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think jealousy gets a bad rap. It tells you what you want, and what you personally or society could work toward.

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  • iglou@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Jealousy and envy are not the same thing, although the nuance is subtle. What you’re talking about is closer to envy. You can be envious of something or someone without the hostility that turns it into jealousy.

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    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I disagree. I believe that you choose for it to be envy or jealousy by your definition.

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      • iglou@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s not my definition. That is the subtle difference between the two words. But, most people use both words for the same thing, and most people only use the word jealousy for both things.

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      • podian@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What my friend was conveying is that envy is the want for something–usually that another has–and jealousy is the fear of losing something that one already has.

        The interchangeable usage based on a vague understanding is just that (often normatively though they’re probably unaware of it).

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  • stickyprimer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Seeing what someone else has and taking that as information to them decide what you want is not jealousy. Jealousy is seeing what someone else has and hating them for it. It deserves a bad rap.

    You’re talking about ambition, or something else.

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  • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Everyone loves Nietche but no one is actually living Nietche. Sure it’s a useful tool if you stop, analyze this emotion and built from it but how many people are actually capable of this in practice? Instead people just get captured by the emotion and never progress.

    I don’t think pop culture will ever view jealousy as a positive emotion until we collectively learn emotions.

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    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You gotta start somewhere.

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• tibi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t think it is fair for a person dedicating years of life towards higher education and becoming a professional to earn the same as someone who doesn’t. Its not jealousy, its just unfair. If earnings are flat, what motivates someone from getting educated and growing as a person?

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  • Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Lots of people get degrees in lower-earning fields because they value working on things that are interesting or meaningful to them more than they value the income tradeoff. Growing as a person is its own reward.

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• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Crabs in a bucket

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  • stickyprimer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The crab will legit only escape and live if it gets enough other crabs under it to reach the rim of the bucket. I guess you’re saying people act like that even when they don’t need to?

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

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      • stickyprimer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Ohhhhhh

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• Rothe@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The US was build on the “fuck you I got mine” mentality.

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  • stickyprimer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you consider the monarchies it came from, this was a big improvement. To even open up the possibility of someone “getting theirs” without any birthright to it was a revelation in its time. But now we’re ready for the next thing.

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