Comment on An 82-year-old YouTuber grandma was raided by police and SWATs during her live stream last night where she plays Minecraft to raise money for her grandsons cancer. Authorities brought 20 police cars

daggermoon@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  But then they wouldn’t get to cosplay as action heroes.

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• SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Genuinely hard to do. Even if we ignore the problem of guns in the US (this also happens in the europe, for example).

  Emergency services kind of have to assume every call is real and act accordingly. In hostage and shooting situations there’s not really much time to debate the validity of the case, because if they delay and it was a real situation, they now are responsible for potentially more victims.

  The only real solution is that the forces need to arrive with the potential that it’s a fake call. But that’s easier said than done

  Oh, and prosecute the hell out of the callers. Which is not always possible, depending how energy they put into making the call anonymous

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  • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    they now are responsible for potentially more victims.

    No they are not. Multiple court cases have exonerated police for failing to respond or not responding quickly enough. See: Uvalde (among many others).

    They are trying to play it both ways: not responsible but also must respond in the most over-the-top aggressive manner possible.

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    • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      depends on the jurisdiction. also, didn’t really mean legal responsibility

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      • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        There is Federal precedent on this, actually

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• iamthetot@piefed.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It’s the ol’ “boy who cried wolf” situation. You probably don’t want public services like police and firefighters deciding which calls seem real or not.

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  • Canconda@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    K but there has to be some happy medium between 20 swat cars and showing up 2 hours after the pizza driver.

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    • iamthetot@piefed.ca ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s really easy to say that when you’re not the one calling the police because there’s an actual madman with a gun holding your loved one hostage. I think it’s a tough situation that, really, has more to do with the overall culture in America than how emergency services respond to particular calls. If the overall level of potential danger was lower due to cultural reasons, I think then we could talk.

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      • Canconda@lemmy.ca ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Easy to say doesn’t change the fact that it’s true.

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    • calcopiritus@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Showing up with 20 swat cars doesn’t mean that there’s 20 swat cars blindly shooting at the house.

      There’s no harm on just showing up. As long as they verify the claims before acting on them, I don’t see the issue.

      The only issue is that it is expensive and may break a door or something. Which is why the caller should be tracked, and made to pay for all of it.

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