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Officials keep saying it’s not respiratory, it’s not human to human, and it’s no big deal…

From what I’ve read, the human to human transmission requires very close contact. I’ve even heard it’s described as “intimate” contact. That seems to me to imply that it doesn’t transmit from human to human very easily.

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Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It is respiratory if it’s the Andes Hantavirus, and it is.
These tourists literally went to the Andes.
While the first one has an R of 0,8 Andes has an R factor of 2.19 (see article below)
Anything R>2 has a high risk of large-scale epidemics.
Even for Covid is was difficult to determine the R-factor but 3.28 to 4.22 is significantly higher than initial WHO estimates of 1.4–2.5.
And this disease has not been thoroughly studied.
Another isue I found from this article says it can be transmitted to up to 8 weeks (even if exceptional).
I only know from NL and Be where the passengers have to quarantine for only 6 weeks.
And this in their homes.
This sounds verry risky and irresponsible.
Except for the passengers that left in St Helens and possible crew members ‘escaping’ the source (ship) was a good opportunity to end this quickly.
I feel like they’re taking big risks.
Especially if those quarantined believe the low risk transmissibility narrative.

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givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
What?

What are you reading?

As the video talks about, just walking within four feet of an infected person is enough for transmission…

No coughing, no sneezing, not even talking required.

A dude four feet away is breathing normally and may feel like their allergies are acting up, and that’s enough for you to catch something with a 40% mortality rate …

I’ve even heard it’s described as “intimate” contact. That seems to me to imply that it doesn’t transmit from human to human very easily.

All of that is about Hanta in general and true for 99.99% variants…

But not the Andes variant that everyone is talking about

Jesus fucking Christ dude, you’re lit doing what the video is saying is the problem…

Even if you didn’t watch the video, presumably you read the comment you replied to

I need to understand why you don’t get this so I can help you and others understand it, and obviously my last comment didn’t work.

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- TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Ok, calm down. Chill, relax, take a breath.
  
  First, none of this:
  
  As the video talks about, just walking within four feet of an infected person is enough for transmission…
  
  No coughing, no sneezing, not even talking required.
  
  A dude four feet away is breathing normally and may feel like their allergies are acting up, and that’s enough for you to catch something with a 40% mortality rate …
  
  Was in the comment I replied to.
  
  Apparently it was in the video, but I am not able to watch the video right now. But even if these claims are in the video, that doesn’t necessarily make them true or accurate. And frankly, it would be nice if you offered some kind of substantiation for these incredible claims beyond “watch this YouTube video.” Any kind of credible source.
  
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  - mushroommunk@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    The video is Joseph Allen, Professor of Exposure Assessment Science at Harvard University, directly explaining his research and communications directly with the doctor on the cruise ship. I’m not sure you can find a more credible source. It’s not edited clips or anything. A news program invited him on, handed him a mic, and then just let him talk. No leading questions or anything even.
    
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  - givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    First, none of this:
    
    As the video talks about, just walking within four feet of an infected person is enough for transmission…
    
    No coughing, no sneezing, not even talking required.
    
    A dude four feet away is breathing normally and may feel like their allergies are acting up, and that’s enough for you to catch something with a 40% mortality rate …
    
    Was in the comment I replied to.
    
    It literally was…
    
    Officials keep saying it’s not respiratory, it’s not human to human, and it’s no big deal…
    
    None of that is true for Andes,
    
    I’m genuinely asking because everyone deserves to hear this in a way they understand…
    
    Is the way I wrote that Andes is respiratory, it’s transmissionable to humans, and a big deal just not comprehendable?
    
    Because I’m already dialing it down a lot, and the issue is if I dial it down too much, there’s no more “why” for why we should be concerned.
    
    If you so finally understand this, can you phrase it in a way that you would have understood immediately?
    
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    SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    I fucking did…
    
    But you did not. Obviously.
    
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    TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    None of your claims about transmissibility are in the article you linked to. That article is all about protein complex imaging.
    
    The source for the claims seems to be the video. Fine. I understand the person in the video is highly accredited. I will watch it when I am able.
    
    Block me, I don’t give a shit.
    
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- Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  R factor of 2.19!
  And mortality of 35% to 50%!
  Glad you made the distinction between Andes and ‘normal’ Hanta which they (mis)use to say it’s not so alarming.
  
  www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040
  
  I am certainly a bit concerned, especially how nonchalant they handle it, trusting on self-quarantine and this for 2 weeks less than is required for Andes virus.
  
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