We use WHO guidelines here, putting the passengers who were brought home in at least 42 days of quarantine. The US, though, now that is a different thing. Maybe they’ll try injecting bleach, like “the greatest mind ever” suggested…
Comment on "Public deserves to know”: Harvard Professor says official messaging contradicts hantavirus science
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is the most public I’ve seen someone who actually understands this is “Andes variant”…
Not just America, but lots of countries are pretending that this is regular Hanta and not the Andes variant.
Officials keep saying it’s not respiratory, it’s not human to human, and it’s no big deal…
None of that is true for Andes, and because of that we started studying this variant years ago, because we have no way to fight it, and it could cause a devastating pandemic…
news.utexas.edu/…/scientists-map-deadly-hantaviru…
In 2024, the NIH identified several families of viruses — including hantaviruses — that were extremely dangerous and had no effective vaccines or treatments, making them of special concern for their potential to cause a pandemic. To better prepare for future pandemics, the NIH awarded a series of grants through the ReVAMPP program to study these viruses and develop new tools to combat them, including the grant that established the Provident consortium and enabled this latest study. McLellan and other Provident researchers have simultaneously been working to find ways to address other viruses that health officials have identified as especially dangerous in an outbreak, such as measles and Nipah virus.
Like, multiple people are starting to show symptoms on evac flights, they 100% infected everyone on their plane. But we’re only doing two week quarantines after the flight, and it can take 6 weeks for symptoms and transmission
We’re fucking it all up again and no one cares, maybe we’ll get lucky, but I don’t think so.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
The NEJM article says a possible 8 weeks transmissibility (in some cases).
So even 42 days isn’t enough.
And many people couldn’t even follow their short Covid quarantine at home.
I don’t believe they can all handle 6 weeks, and certainly not in a safe way if they are made to believe it’s not easily transmitted.
Their relatives will get it.
Totally inadequate measures and wildly irresponsible for a virus with a 2.19R factor and 35-50% mortality.
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
From what I’ve read, the human to human transmission requires very close contact. I’ve even heard it’s described as “intimate” contact. That seems to me to imply that it doesn’t transmit from human to human very easily.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
It is respiratory if it’s the Andes Hantavirus, and it is.
These tourists literally went to the Andes.
While the first one has an R of 0,8 Andes has an R factor of 2.19 (see article below)
Anything R>2 has a high risk of large-scale epidemics.
Even for Covid is was difficult to determine the R-factor but 3.28 to 4.22 is significantly higher than initial WHO estimates of 1.4–2.5.
And this disease has not been thoroughly studied.
Another isue I found from this article says it can be transmitted to up to 8 weeks (even if exceptional).
I only know from NL and Be where the passengers have to quarantine for only 6 weeks.
And this in their homes.
This sounds verry risky and irresponsible.
Except for the passengers that left in St Helens and possible crew members ‘escaping’ the source (ship) was a good opportunity to end this quickly.
I feel like they’re taking big risks.
Especially if those quarantined believe the low risk transmissibility narrative.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What?
What are you reading?
As the video talks about, just walking within four feet of an infected person is enough for transmission…
No coughing, no sneezing, not even talking required.
A dude four feet away is breathing normally and may feel like their allergies are acting up, and that’s enough for you to catch something with a 40% mortality rate …
All of that is about Hanta in general and true for 99.99% variants…
But not the Andes variant that everyone is talking about
Jesus fucking Christ dude, you’re lit doing what the video is saying is the problem…
Even if you didn’t watch the video, presumably you read the comment you replied to
I need to understand why you don’t get this so I can help you and others understand it, and obviously my last comment didn’t work.
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ok, calm down. Chill, relax, take a breath.
First, none of this:
Was in the comment I replied to.
Apparently it was in the video, but I am not able to watch the video right now. But even if these claims are in the video, that doesn’t necessarily make them true or accurate. And frankly, it would be nice if you offered some kind of substantiation for these incredible claims beyond “watch this YouTube video.” Any kind of credible source.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today 1 day ago
The video is Joseph Allen, Professor of Exposure Assessment Science at Harvard University, directly explaining his research and communications directly with the doctor on the cruise ship. I’m not sure you can find a more credible source. It’s not edited clips or anything. A news program invited him on, handed him a mic, and then just let him talk. No leading questions or anything even.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It literally was…
I’m genuinely asking because everyone deserves to hear this in a way they understand…
Is the way I wrote that Andes is respiratory, it’s transmissionable to humans, and a big deal just not comprehendable?
Because I’m already dialing it down a lot, and the issue is if I dial it down too much, there’s no more “why” for why we should be concerned.
If you so finally understand this, can you phrase it in a way that you would have understood immediately?
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
R factor of 2.19!
And mortality of 35% to 50%!
Glad you made the distinction between Andes and ‘normal’ Hanta which they (mis)use to say it’s not so alarming.
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040
I am certainly a bit concerned, especially how nonchalant they handle it, trusting on self-quarantine and this for 2 weeks less than is required for Andes virus.