Republicans are against abortion even when the fetus is already deceased, so it’s certainly not about anyone’s right to live. It’s about punishing women for having sex.
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bluGill@kbin.social 11 months ago
Rights are in conflict so you must at times. Abortion is a big one these days where a babies right to live is in direct with moms right to not be enslaved. It is rare for anyone to even acknowlege this conflict instead most acuse the other of hating human rights.
hperrin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Neato@kbin.social 11 months ago
Most people disagree it's a baby. It's still a fetus in the vast majority of cases. All laws agree with that since no laws grant fetuses rights, they merely restrict a woman's choice.
bluGill@kbin.social 11 months ago
I don't know what most people believe - and I doubt you have data to verify your statement. However I do know that at minimum it is a very significant minority that disagrees with that fetus statement.
I'm trying to elevate the discussion to a different level. Instead of trying to defend your position can you instead step back and start understanding why some people think it is absurd? The world would be much better if people could do that more often.
ReCursing@kbin.social 11 months ago
In this case no, the other side is absurd. Not everything is actually a multi-faceted problem - some people think the Earth is flat and we can point and laugh at them
amio@kbin.social 11 months ago
Although if you do, human psychology is likely to make them believe in Even-Flatter-Earth or whatever.
Shalakushka@kbin.social 11 months ago
Some people see blood transfusions as unholy, it doesn't mean they get to decide the conduct of everyone else.
sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Turns out those same people don’t think the fetus counts as a person when it’s not in their interest
Neato@kbin.social 11 months ago
I understand. Some people think fetuses are babies, people, at that point. And they see abortion as murder. And if you think a fetus is a person, then it IS murder. It's a completely valid position. Not one I think is correct, but it's easy to see how they get there.
Unfortunately for them, most of those people have so little regard for actual babies and do so little to protect them that their stance rings hollow. And they also aren't willing to extend legal benefits as if they were babies. So their actions contradict their stated values and they aren't taken seriously.
BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 11 months ago
That you're being strongly downvoted for properly analyzing an unpopular perspective is disappointing but not remotely surprising here.
vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
It’s not an analysis in any sense of the word. It’s a restating at best. And believe it or not, we’ve heard the arguments against abortion before.