Lumping in trans people with racist/sexist/predatory/mentally ill people, are we?
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Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 5 days ago
This is Chris Chan isn’t it?
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I used one of their many descriptors, you zeroed in on that one. All of the labels apply to this individual, that is the extent of the statement.
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 5 days ago
You chose to list “trans” and “autistic” in a list of otherwise abhorrent behaviors/traits about Chris. Get real.
Leaving things borderline unambiguous like this is how transphobes speak. If you’re not, I don’t recommend mirroring them. 🤷🏼♀️
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 4 days ago
You can choose the impact of the statement, I know it’s intent. As would any reasonable person.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
And I wouldn’t recommend defending Chris chan who is a horrid person who uses their labels to attack others and to hide from repercussions.
It makes you look like a biggot.
Soulg@ani.social 5 days ago
No this bad person happens to be trans or at least claim to be.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
what
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
There’s nothing stopping gay, trans or other minorities from also being awful shit people who deserve to rot in jail.
Hell there’s even this fun concept where people weaponize the fact they are in a minority group as a way to attack others or to try to protect themselves from retaliation for horrid acts they do.
Chris chan is in fact a racist sexist predatory mentally ill trans person.
SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space 4 days ago
I identify as someone who would never weaponize their identity.
SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space 4 days ago
real talk though for what its worth I have met a litany of people throughout my life who have “weaponized” their masculinity or femininity by relying on some cliche about either gender to rationalize some behavior, preference, or perspective that they have about themselves or the world which seem to be toxic or have the capacity to be needlessly harmful to others, or to normalize their bad behavior at the expense of others. and it’s worth mentioning that the couple people I have known who identify as trans in my life don’t ever seem to weaponize their trans identity in those types of ways (at least not around me or in ways that I have ever been able to feel imposed upon or threatened by, though reading people’s body language or other subtle cues for signals of different emotions has never been an area that I have excelled in, though I know people who are worse than me at it as well)
SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space 4 days ago
Lumping in would be saying “all people who defend trans folx have a tendency to defend all trans folx, even if they are horrible indefensible people” such as you have been doing. I saw no such “lumping in”, by either you or chippy in the comments above. they chose to include that descriptor maybe as a subtle way to associate this Chan person with other transitioned people, but I don’t think “lumping in” is the exact words I would think to use in such a statement of (biased, but not universalizing) selection of descriptors
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Lotta words to explain how you’re DEFINITELY not transphobic 😒
SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space 4 days ago
Reading is good for the mind, feeling is good for the soul, thinking is good for the gut, drinking is good for the heart.
velma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
They gave a thoughtful and well written response to you that was not transphobic in the slightest.
Maybe it’s time for you to log off and live in the real world for a moment.
velma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
Are you unaware of who Chris Chan is?
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 5 days ago
We all do. Listing “trans” and “autistic” in the middle of a list of abhorrent traits/behaviors they have/committed is a blatant indicator of transphobia regardless of who we’re talking about.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
Your just coming across as morally the equivalent of a Nazi defender, because they are trans they can’t also be a racist, sexist Nazi? Who is a horrid person and should be banned from the internet and likely locked in a jail cell?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 4 days ago
It’s relevant if its been used successfully in a court of law to defend a rape they commited. Or the individual in question has used being trans to excuse non consensual sexual deviance. This is a discussion about an individual not a group. Nuance and context are important.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Why did you fail to mention “mentally ill?”
Extreme dementophobia, please get help.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Even when treated exactly the same as everybody else, it’s not good enough for you.
Let’s put her on a throne and crown her, shall we? She can be your queen
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 3 days ago
“Is this Hitler? That genocidal, racist, male, sexist, eugenicists, child murderer?”
Lol
yakko@feddit.uk 5 days ago
A wild cocktail of personality disorders, is what they are. My god, the small amount I know about Chris Chan is already too much.
hoch@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I watch a lot of true crime and didn’t know who that was until I came across their arrest video. One of the weirdest things I’ve seen.
You ever see someone try to explain to a cop that they’re interdemenionally married to Sonichu?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I’ve consumed many hours of lolcow content. Chris Chan was the first. Horrific strange human. There are many more like him, some even worse.
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
Out of the loop, is it okay to make fun of Chris Chan now? Last I remembered it was a bunch of 4chan assholes bullying them for being autistic and trans.
Soulg@ani.social 5 days ago
It’s always been okay, they’re a terrible person
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 5 days ago
They sexually assaulted their mother and have always been openly racist among a bunch of other fucked shit… It’s always been okay.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Everyone involved sucks, best not to get involved.
faultyproboscus@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Don’t touch the poop
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
I was under the impression it was always ethical to make fun of Chris chan
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Make jokes, but do not interact with them.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
Chris Chan is an interesting “Frankenstein’s Monster” case. In Frankenstein, the monster is regularly treated like a monster by everyone they encounter. So eventually, he basically decides “if I’m going to be treated like a monster regardless, I might as well give them a reason to fear me.” The monster begins acting like one… By the end of the book, the monster has done plenty of monstrous things. But it didn’t start out that way…
And Chris Chan’s case has a lot of parallels to that. Maybe she didn’t initially deserve the bullying. She’s always been weird, but it’s entirely possible that her life would have been on a different trajectory without the constant harassment. However, by the time the Chris Chan stuff was really coming to a head around 2020-2021, she was a full blown racist, misogynistic, homophobic, sexual predator piece of shit. Her potential life is an interesting hypothetical “Nature vs Nurture” thought experiment. But as it currently stands, Chris doesn’t deserve a platform.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 days ago
ehh, Chris Chan had rape fantasies before they started interacting with 4chan or kiwifarms.
Fredrik Knudsen covered them back in 2016.
I honestly think Fred’s coverage of Chris and other lolcows gave some people who would later become internet celebrities a wake up call on what not to become. He’s honestly the only person I trust to these types that’s willing to do it.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
You can always make fun of a horribleneprson as long as you don’t capitulate on the things that don’t make them horrible, which is what probably those 4chan assholes were doing. Nah he’s a shitbag AND he’s autistic and trans. Not because.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 days ago
ehh, the unaddressed autism is definitely a factor. They should have been taken offline or at least, not allowed have an email or social media and been forced into therapy. They had rape fantasies before they started interacting with trolls. They were always a ticking time bomb.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
I genuienly thought they were not allowed to use the internet anymore.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 5 days ago
No ban that I know of. Also was never convicted of a crime even though they spent time in jail. The lawyer was able to get the charges dismissed through some kind of I have autism defense (I swear)
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
Fuck.
Yeah I … don’t exactly follow them closely, I just saw a spate of … ahem, mother fucking videos a while back, and was just … shaking my head…
Goddamn it, what a terrible life.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Correct