Give them a few years. The belt and road initiative is set to bring levels of exploration and wealth extraction never before seen. China gets shit done when it wants to and understands the long game.
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wraekscadu@vargar.org 2 days ago
China isn’t as successful at imperialism as the Americans. The American ruling class is just… Too good at being evil.
Doesn’t mean that China and Russia aren’t imperialist though. They’re just unable to beat the US… For now…
Jmdatcs@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
This is pure projection.
China is not debt trapping poor African nations. We can see that this isn’t the case when we can observe countries in BRI engaging in rapid development and industrializing, and this is confirmed by China forgiving tons of debt. The goal of China isn’t to make countries reliant on them, or to earn money from debt, it’s because China gains personally through mutual development. Here are some articles debunking the “debt trap” myth:
There are many more examples I can use. China isn’t doing this out of the goodness of their own heart, but because they stand to gain from mutual development. A more developed global south means China is less reliant on the US Empire as a customer, provides new avenues to facilitate trade, and creates more markets for customers. The west harvests the global south for cheap labor and resources, and we can see hard comparisons in data between BRI participants and those imperialized by the west to see fundamentally different results.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Don’t forget that China recently removed all tariffs from Africa. Meaning goods imported to China from Africa are comparatively cheaper than from other countries, which gives Africa a leg up in competition.
bUt ChInA iS iMpErIaLiSt
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Yep! I mentioned it elsewhere this thread. Removing tariffs from global south countries is a part of boosting consumption, which is one of China’s more important economic problems it needs to tackle moving forward. It’s a win-win, African countries get to export finished commodities to Chinese consumers, and Chinese consumers get more access to goods. This helps build up African industry while also improving the lives of Chinese people.
ManixT@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Are you saying that removing tariffs from trade with one region means you cannot otherwise be imperialist? That’s completely illogical.
Jmdatcs@lemmy.world 2 days ago
They’re turning an entire continent into a sweatshop to feed their own greed and consumerism. They learned from the best! And they’re improving on it through the strength of single party central planning.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
No, they are not. China’s consumption is actually too low, which is why the CPC is taking measures to address it and lower tariffs on other countries. This helps build independence and interconnection. You’re absurdly off-base to the point of fantasy.
antisoumerde@quokk.au 1 day ago
If the genocidees were the genociders they would be genociding too see Hamas is bad guys
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 days ago
China and Russia are taking over in the soft imperialism department, because some billionaire moron had to kill USAID. Let’s hope their soft imperialism won’t have really bad consequences human rights-wise (though the US also had a spotty record with that).
rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 days ago
Looking at human rights in russia… doesn’t look too good, chief, not gonna lie. At least China pretends for the media.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Unless the media wants to check up on the Uyghurs.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Dude… idk how I fell into it but there’s an account here on lemmy that goes around commenting shit like “fake news” and “your American state media lies to you and its so easy” on posts calling out what China is doing to Uyghurs. Basically denying any wrongdoing by China. Idk if they’re a bot or state agent or paid actor or what. I wonder if they’ll make an appearance on this post…
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Ahh just scrolled further and they’re here lol. Name is Cowbee. The account is 2 years old, 17,000 comments. All they do is post pro-china shit everywhere they can.