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• JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Did you watch the full unedited video of the supposed “shock” including before and after?

  Did you see the video of Hasan debunking it? Did anything Hasan said in this debunking come across as seemingly shady or obvious bullshit?

  Did you see the video compilation of Hasan loving on the dog a bunch?

  Do you see any videos that anyone has been able to find where he reaches with his hand toward her or raises his hand where she winces in fear - in a way that a dog who is hit often by its owner does?

  Any other video in the 3 years he’s had her where you can find any other obvious self-evident proof of abuse? Another moment where the dog cried out in pain or fear?

  No one should ask you to ignore anything, but the fact that you’re scrutinizing whether or not the collar is a shock collar that was swapped out secretly or that he had someone make edits to a video of seems like far more of a stretch than maybe just the idea that some assholes hate the guy and can’t otherwise come up with any legitimate criticisms and figure this was an opportunity to jump in on… don’t you think?

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  • conartistpanda@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    TL:DR; Please don’t be angry and don’t go full Trump supporter on me and ignore all of this cause you don’t believe that it’s true. Help me see the truth. If you did see these collar pics then tell me what is it I’m not seeing myself that proves it’s a vibration only collar and not a shock one without prongs? Tell me and I’ll listen. Please, just refute the hard evidence. I WANT to believe you.

    If you still need a reason for me to care so much: Autism.

    The video of the incident looks like what people says that happened, looks like he reached his hand somewhere (supposedly the remote) and Kaya complains. It could be a coincidence of course, and it doesn’t help that Hasan doesn’t show the collar immediately after (although understandable, not a realistic demand since he has no reasons, it would be great if he did but in the video you linked there didn’t seem to be anyone accusing Hasan from shocking Kaya, looks like that came later). Because of this we can only speculate.

    The debunk video doesn’t debunk anything, he acknowledges that people are looking at his supposedly vibration only collar but he doesn’t acknowledge exactly WHY they’re doing it (aside from right grifter assholes wanting to smear him), he doesn’t actually stop and debunk it. The reason people points at the collar is because it looks just like the vibration version without the prongs. He missed an unrealistic opportunity to proof himself when he did not show the collar when it happened (again, understandable), and he lost a very realistic opportunity in this debunk video by not showing it again but in more detail to prove it’s not a shock version. I mean, he doesn’t call it “modded shock into vibration only collar”, he claims that’s just a vibration collar, nothing else. I can’t stress enough how bad it is that he doesn’t show the collar in more detail, if he wanted to end all of this he would’ve just zoomed the fuck into it and shut everyone up, It’s easier to believe that he’s hiding something that believing he is dumb. It is very suspicious. You can always say he was nervous but he’s probably got plenty of time to plan the debunk.

    (This is only speculation you can skip this paragraph) In the video he also claims that Kaya hurt herself. That implies she has a vibration collar on but he didn’t use it, so he can’t really go “I used a collar but it only vibrates” since that would mean he lied, and if he lies then how is anyone supposed to trust him? If he did we’d be in a “alt right moving goalposts” like situation.

    I don’t need to see the one loving his dog. I mean “He loves Kaya” is sadly not a valid proof that he didn’t shock her unlike actual pictures of the collar, and three things can be true at the same time:

    1. He loves Kaya;
    2. He shocked Kaya;
    3. Stinky (literally) Asmnogold-like people are using it as an excuse to shit on him and exaggerate on what happened.

    And the best way to judge a situation is by keeping it cool. Getting to know Hasan better is sadly not a good way of thinking things calmly and subjectively the same way falling into the ragebait shit right wing grifters upload would not be ideal.

    But I’m not here to judge if Hasan is a dog abuser, I’m here ONLY to judge if he shocked her, for my own sanity, because I’m seeing all this evidence pointing out he did it yet people don’t seem to acknowledge it, similar to how right wing nutjobs won’t understand cheeto man is a pedofile rapist despite all of the evidence, it’s like they can’t see the evidence or maybe they do and they don’t care because “the left only wants to shit on him”. The equivalent in this situation would be Hasan fans not caring Kaya got shocked because “the right only wants to shit on him” (which is true, but that doesn’t justify not calling him out on what he did IF he did it), don’t get me wrong, I’m NOT saying shocking a dog so it doesn’t move is on the same level of a super mega pedophile ring, and justifying the former is much, MUCH better than the latter, I’m just trying to get the point across that Trump’s fans will either justify whatever he does or blindly believe everything he says because they’re out of touch fanatics. Maybe they genuinely believe he didn’t diddle the kiddlers. Maybe they just don’t bother to either look at it or to exist in the same reality we do, probably because they like the guy. I don’t want to believe Hasan fans are on the same realm of ignoring reality and evidence because “I like him he would never”. This whole situation feels the same to me. Look at that debunk video, it proofs my point, Hasan glares over the issue and explains people hating him is making stuff up to hate on him, but he never addresses the actual stuff being said on the videos which only makes me think he can’t and only hopes his fans will blindly defend him, then you go and link it as if it does prove something.

    But lets give him the benefit of the doubt, what if he uses a modded shock collar so it only shakes. Why not say that? What if he just has a vibration collar that looks EXACTLY like the shock one? Like a knock off or something. Just show the model online, and again, the collar itself closely.

    If you read this far, please. I IMPLORE you to look at the videos of the people comparing the pictures on his streams showing the collar with the images on the collars site I linked, don’t just assume that you won’t get anything from it like a Trump supporter wouldn’t look at the Epstein files. Yes, these people probably don’t give a flying FUCK about Kaya, but that’s beyond the point here, the point is if he shocked her. The pics with the collar he showed make it clear (at least to me) it’s then shock version without prongs. They can’t be fake cause they’re taken from his stream and Hasan doesn’t even claim them to be fake, he just doesn’t claim anything, the only thing preventing you from looking at and comparing them would be blind trust.

    All I want you to do is compare the collar Hasan shows with the pictures of the collars on the websites and tell me why that is not a shock version with prongs removed. If you don’t want to do it cause you think Hasan is innocent, think of all the alt right nutjobs that won’t look at the Epstein files because Trump is “innocent” so there’s no point (not saying shocking a dog is as bad as mass child rape, just pointing out how fanaticism clouds people’s judgement). Keep your mind open and I will keep mine, but refute the hard evidence, refute it. Don’t change the subject or say things like “Nu uh he loves Kaya”, that’s not evidence, neither is “I like him he would never”.

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    • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think you’re good, friend. No worries.

      Really (and I know one of the videos I shared in another comment covered this but I don’t want to torture you by asking you to comb through my novella of work in this thread to go read / watch) the problem with trying to “prove a negative” is that for every piece of evidence you can try to prove that negative, it’s not hard to then come up with another reason why that evidence isn’t sufficient.

      Like when I was a kid, my Dad accidentally burned my hand with a cigarette while handing me a baseball with that same hand he had the 🚬 in. If he said it was an accident though, how would he prove that he did NOT do it on purpose to anyone else who saw my hand and then I told them it was my dad who burned me?

      See, the difference is that I can tell others my Dad didn’t do it on purpose… that he never ever did it ever again… that I have no other burns anywhere else on my body, no bruises, and that I know my Dad loves me. Kaya can’t talk. But we can look at her and see she doesn’t wince in fear from him, that she wags her tail every time he looks at her, that she walks close to him in public - even without a leash sometimes I think.

      This is why I would suggest to try looking toward other clues to ascertain whether or not this claim has merit - rather than “prove this collar doesn’t have shock prongs.”

      I’ve seen the pictures of the collar, and I watched the video the dog trainer did on the clip shared by another user and then commented in detail on that.

      However, after all of that… and - again given how hard it would be to convince anyone on the prong situation other than just “that seems like kinda way too conspiratorial and work to be true” - I really just find it way more likely that - given the lack of any other moment where Kaya seems to have been in any sort of stressful situation captured on camera in the MASSIVE backlog of Hasan’s streams where you see her - and not just her laying in her spot, but her on walks with him in public, her with him while podcasting on his other shows with others present - he has never shocked her or ever done ANYTHING to cause her to audibly yelp or whimper or howl or pee herself or anything else even a SINGLE other time.

      I think that makes it just a lot easier to believe that the shock did not happen.

      I don’t know if that convinces you, but as I said - it is exceedingly hard to prove a negative short of the dog herself just being able to say “yeah he didn’t do that” in the same way I told others the truth that “my dad didn’t mean to burn me with the 🚬 when he handed me the ⚾️.”

      Hopefully all that makes sense. 😓

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      • conartistpanda@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’m glad you’re taking your time to answer me, and I think I understand. What you are saying is basically that since Kaya doesn’t look like she is abused it makes sense to think Hasan would shock her, and if he did who cares (me I guess) since she’s loved. Honestly I don’t care about Hasan being an abuser at this point, just about IF in that very moment, that very day, he used a shock on Kaya. As you say “prove this collar doesn’t have shock prongs” is not a good argument for demonstrating Kaya is being abused, but it is a good argument to try to determine if “that very moment was shocking for her”. I can tell that 99% of people accusing him of being a dog abuser are not acting in good faith. But why not think about the possibility of both Hasan loving Kaya AND giving her a shock that time being true? Maybe he meant to give a smaller shock and regretted it when she cried, realizing the collar was set to a stronger setting than he though (my theory). Maybe he got the shock version cause it was on discount and intended on only using the vibration version but accidentally fucked up (not my theory but funny though). Any of these possibilities would need Hasan to admit he did do it, even if by accident.

        Maybe that’s what happened and he thinks he can’t be honest about it because it would only feed the smearers, which I’d understand cause they sound like the same kind of people that would hit you back five times as hard if you accidentally hurt them somehow and again, bad faith. If this is what’s happening then people who want subjective truth and that are not easily manipulated by feelings (at least I think I’m not, I try not to) suffer as a consequence. I WANT REALITY AND REALITY IS… IS… (I’m going to say the N word)

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        NUANCED

        I just don’t like being lied to, and I’m sure that many other will be put off by Hasan and his fans if the fans defend him without even looking at the evidence. It’s setting a loud ass alarm in my brain. Look at this from the view of an outsider, the proof is there but no matter how much it’s put in front of people faces they refuse to acknowledge it, the goalpost moving is (as lots of bad clickbait youtube videos say) insane, some people say the shock didn’t happen, some that it doesn’t matter etc etc. As someone who has never seen the guy, that looks as bad as people trying to defend roack god’s alarm rat, which I don’t know if it happens but knowing roack’s fans it sure did.

        I don’t think its completely impossible to prove a negative, I mean, I can’t prove that Jesus Christ doesn’t exist. But I can point at all other gods that are there and say “what are the chances he’s the real one?” It’s not a definitive answer but I think it’s a darn good one. In this case, we got a guy that looks like they reached to something right when the dog complained, then said the dog did it by themselves, then showed a collar that looks like a manipulated shock version. Then he doesn’t show the collar on greater detail. So… “what are the chances he didn’t do it and he’s trying to cover it for whatever reason?” is a darn good argument for me. And I think he ran himself into a corner by not showing the collar better on multiple occasions like I mentioned. As I said before, fans not agreeing on what happened and what to defend doesn’t help him look good.

        So I will ask you again, just once more, to take a look at the pictures, not to convince you that Hasan is an abuser or that he eats children or that all he says is not true etc etc. but rather to know the OBJECTIVE TRUTH of what collar he has. Yes, it sounds conspiratorial to say that the collar he had is a shock one without the prongs, but if the latter year told me something is that there’s no conspiracy theory that’s too crazy or stupid to be true. Well, except flat Earthers, fuck those. And if you somehow for some reason DO change your mind about the subject (at most you’ll probably be like me and think he did shock Kaya on accident) you will have the satisfaction of falling into the trap of believing what’s more convenient but then escaping it! I mean, you answered me without getting angry and seemed pretty sincere like a reasonable person should. My only request is for you to give it a shot. Hell I have an old Joplin document stored that I tweaked and exported to PDF then uploaded into some site I found called file.io just for this moment, that way you don’t have to do research for something that hurts to even consider. I’ll leave the link here somewhere, if it becomes inaccessible for any reason make me know. I just demand your attention, not because the algorithm demands it since I don’t get paid for this, but because I want to see it, ✨NUANCE✨.

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  • boomzilla@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Here’s a video from a professional dog trainer, who claims he didn’t know Hasan prior, analyzing the incident and the device. He concluded that it wasn’t a shock- but a vibration-collar (or used as such). He did not see any misconduct from Hasan. I read somewhere the trainer was massively harassed after the video.

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    • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      OK, I watched the video of the dog trainer guy.

      Given that the dog trainer says he has absolutely zero context other than what he can see and surmise from the video, and later the vibes and comments as well, I would say that he’s probably just trying to be as objective as possible about whether or not the collar is or could have been a shock collar.

      He seems to say that she does NOT seem to be being abused but he could’ve used a vibration collar on her there, but also that it’s a bit of a stretch to think that this guy is swapping out parts to make it look like a vibration collar when it’s secretly an electric shock collar.

      The trainer guy said although you never like to hear a dog yelp, he doesn’t think Hasan should be kicked off of “switch” 😅 for the dog yelping in surprise from a vibration IF he indeed did vibrate it on her when she got off the bed.

      For the context that is missing in this video though - the dog trainer also seemed to perceive that Hasan was mad at Kaya for getting off the bed because the clip he was provided either had that part removed either on purpose to remove that context in a way that Hasan antagonists would do without hesitation - or more simply (also more likely in my opinion) to save time and not make the trainer have to watch more than the minimum needed to see the immediate before and after parts.

      The fact is - that clip does not showing that - in reality - Hasan was NOT angry at Kaya - he was angry about his Internet going out over and over again, and that the frustration from the internet dropping issues was just bleeding over in a way that then appeared like he was mad specifically at Kaya for getting off of her “spot.” Also - the idea she tweaked her paw or got a claw caught on one of the fibers as she stepped seems to be really hard to point out, but the trainer not hearing that explanation as to the possible reason why she yelped also seems kind of unfair as well.

      Apparently, the other thing that is coincidental is that Hasan says in the controversy-addressing video that he was reaching for a “Zyn tin” at the time - not some “shock collar remote.” <- (at the very end of this clip)

      I believe it, because in other non-staged photos captured by 3rd party articles about him, Hasan seems to always have multiple Zyn tins stacked up in that same spot him where he said that’s what he was reaching for. Image

      That seems to align - again - with what was claimed later when Hasan addressed the “controversy.”

      On another note though, just want to say I can’t believe 6 months after this smear job people want to fucking do a forensic analysis of this AGAIN just to clear up something that - if you watch any of the clips where he is doing stuff with the dog - the guy honestly looks like he absolutely loves the dog.

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      • boomzilla@programming.dev ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’ve read your posts and the ones of those you had the pleasure to talk to. I appreciate your comittment to the fight against dis-info. I’ll just answer to both of your comments with this comment and hopefully keep it short because I hate this whole topic and how much time this all sucks out of our lifes just because we succumb to culture wars and being the instruments of those inciting them.

        First. I think I’m not parasocial. I just watch him (like most of us I guess), because he gives us easy consumable but knowledgeable insights into complicated historical and current geopolitical events. I picked up quite a few topics and read up on them I wasn’t aware of before I started watching him.

        Him reporting and exposing himself on political events talking to the base and doing interviews with a lot of progressive politicians shows he is far from the sheltered grifting political arm-chair commenter, haters here and in the highest circles of spin-doctoring want him to paint as.

        As you sharply described in your post with the “and yet you participate in society” meme, I’d too rather watch political analyses by someone whose opinions match my personal ideas of a just world, him being a millionaire or not. Bernie Sanders is a millionaire too, I guess, but I love listening to him as well. And opposed to consumers of content from real grifters, I don’t think I’ll ever be a millionaire.

        Heck, Hasan interviewed two billionaires with political ambitions recently who had surprisingly progressive views and plans. Yes nobody should be a billionaire but if they at least really want to do good with their money, they can live. See MacKenzie Scott. And those claiming Hasans trip to Cuba was just egocentric self-promotion, has no idea how much he burns for recitifying the injustice Cubans are exposed to by the US.

        OMG. Now it has become a wall of text again and I haven’t even addressed any points of your observations on the video. I agree with you in what you wrote. Yes the dreaded internet problems and him being jet-lagged wouldn’t justify him mishandling his dog. But as the trainer pointed out, he wasn’t doing this at all even when he slightly yelled at her. Yes the clips he reacted to were very condensed and didn’t show any of the million of interactions he had with his dog clearly showing he’s a reponsible handler.

        But it all doesn’t matter anyway, as we all know this is all part of a big political assassination campaign and the critics bringing this up care as much about Kaya as they care about the animals they have on there plates (as Hasan too does, btw).

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    • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      This is the first actually mature and civil (but oppositional) reply to any of my comments here that wasn’t just some obvious fan of one of the antagonistic streamers who constantly are trying to sic their supporters on the guy.

      Thank you.

      I will watch the video and reply back here (or edit) after watching. I still remain unconvinced he’s abusive of her, but the “using a vibration collar” part being used and a professional pointing it out does give more weight to that specific aspect of the accusation.

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