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conartistpanda@lemmy.world 18 hours agoI’m glad you’re taking your time to answer me, and I think I understand. What you are saying is basically that since Kaya doesn’t look like she is abused it makes sense to think Hasan would shock her, and if he did who cares (me I guess) since she’s loved. Honestly I don’t care about Hasan being an abuser at this point, just about IF in that very moment, that very day, he used a shock on Kaya. As you say “prove this collar doesn’t have shock prongs” is not a good argument for demonstrating Kaya is being abused, but it is a good argument to try to determine if “that very moment was shocking for her”. I can tell that 99% of people accusing him of being a dog abuser are not acting in good faith. But why not think about the possibility of both Hasan loving Kaya AND giving her a shock that time being true? Maybe he meant to give a smaller shock and regretted it when she cried, realizing the collar was set to a stronger setting than he though (my theory). Maybe he got the shock version cause it was on discount and intended on only using the vibration version but accidentally fucked up (not my theory but funny though). Any of these possibilities would need Hasan to admit he did do it, even if by accident.
Maybe that’s what happened and he thinks he can’t be honest about it because it would only feed the smearers, which I’d understand cause they sound like the same kind of people that would hit you back five times as hard if you accidentally hurt them somehow and again, bad faith. If this is what’s happening then people who want subjective truth and that are not easily manipulated by feelings (at least I think I’m not, I try not to) suffer as a consequence. I WANT REALITY AND REALITY IS… IS… (I’m going to say the N word)
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NUANCED
I just don’t like being lied to, and I’m sure that many other will be put off by Hasan and his fans if the fans defend him without even looking at the evidence. It’s setting a loud ass alarm in my brain. Look at this from the view of an outsider, the proof is there but no matter how much it’s put in front of people faces they refuse to acknowledge it, the goalpost moving is (as lots of bad clickbait youtube videos say) insane, some people say the shock didn’t happen, some that it doesn’t matter etc etc. As someone who has never seen the guy, that looks as bad as people trying to defend roack god’s alarm rat, which I don’t know if it happens but knowing roack’s fans it sure did.
I don’t think its completely impossible to prove a negative, I mean, I can’t prove that Jesus Christ doesn’t exist. But I can point at all other gods that are there and say “what are the chances he’s the real one?” It’s not a definitive answer but I think it’s a darn good one. In this case, we got a guy that looks like they reached to something right when the dog complained, then said the dog did it by themselves, then showed a collar that looks like a manipulated shock version. Then he doesn’t show the collar on greater detail. So… “what are the chances he didn’t do it and he’s trying to cover it for whatever reason?” is a darn good argument for me. And I think he ran himself into a corner by not showing the collar better on multiple occasions like I mentioned. As I said before, fans not agreeing on what happened and what to defend doesn’t help him look good.
So I will ask you again, just once more, to take a look at the pictures, not to convince you that Hasan is an abuser or that he eats children or that all he says is not true etc etc. but rather to know the OBJECTIVE TRUTH of what collar he has. Yes, it sounds conspiratorial to say that the collar he had is a shock one without the prongs, but if the latter year told me something is that there’s no conspiracy theory that’s too crazy or stupid to be true. Well, except flat Earthers, fuck those. And if you somehow for some reason DO change your mind about the subject (at most you’ll probably be like me and think he did shock Kaya on accident) you will have the satisfaction of falling into the trap of believing what’s more convenient but then escaping it! I mean, you answered me without getting angry and seemed pretty sincere like a reasonable person should. My only request is for you to give it a shot. Hell I have an old Joplin document stored that I tweaked and exported to PDF then uploaded into some site I found called file.io just for this moment, that way you don’t have to do research for something that hurts to even consider. I’ll leave the link here somewhere, if it becomes inaccessible for any reason make me know. I just demand your attention, not because the algorithm demands it since I don’t get paid for this, but because I want to see it, ✨NUANCE✨.
JDPoZ@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
OK, let’s go deep dive here.
Those products in the images you shared (wow via Limewire too, cool!) are still sold by a company.
Each one of them has a PDF with schematic drawings and shows all the parts that can come on or off of them.
Here’s the one for the official PDFs direct from the maker’s site :
ET-300 :ecollar.com/…/2024-04-09-ET-300-302-manual_outlin…
From page 5 (6 in the PDF page browser, but titled 5 in the page header) :
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PG-300 : ecollar.com/…/2024-04-09-PG-300-302-manual_outlin…
From - again - page 5 (6 in the PDF page browser, but titled 5 in the page header) :
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Page 4 for the ET mentions nothing about shocking or electricity or anything other than a “tapping sensation” being able to be sent and a “stronger” version that can be used in an emergency.
But let’s imagine this WAS a model with the removable prongs AND their “tap” is just corpo speak for electrical shock and that the prongs were removed…
Now comes even more questions if we want to be honest at what scenarios were possible :
Did Hasan buy this thing himself or did someone who’s a dog expert get one for him as some sort of package deal? Does he have a dog caretaker that puts this thing on Kaya?
Could that someone else have taken the prongs off when they first put it on Kaya? Is it feasible that Hasan did OR DID NOT know about the fact the prongs could come off… and consequently then - if someone else set it up, would he even think to mention it if he wasn’t the one who first took the device out, set it up, and put it on Kaya?
Hasan makes enough money that he has his mom paid to cook for him, I’m sure he has people who clean for him, I’m sure he has people who manage his accounts. I think it’s feasible then to surmise he might have someone who handles getting Kaya groomed, trained, who purchases Kaya’s food for Hasan, etc.
I have a someone close to me who sent their dog away for training for several months when they first got them (by the way I think this is kinda crazy and don’t condone it, just saying this is what they did) and when the dog came back, they had an entire package including training tools and materials, as well as a detailed set of commands given to them by the trainer from their program.
Again, I think there’s enough space here to interpret it either way.
Rich people sometimes delegate their tasks to subordinates, right? I know so many of his critics complain he’s a champagne socialist or whatever… fine… so if he’s a rich guy then, I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility that Hasan would then have possibly assigned some task or as a part of some larger dog management related task of “buying the best collar and equipment for Kaya” by someone who would think that “well let’s get him the one that could do shocking, just in case,” but then that person taking those prongs off by default and not telling Hasan… who then could say “it doesn’t do shock” because the handler told him that…
Is any of THAT a fair possibility?
Again, I think this all doesn’t really matter in the bigger picture… because the memes were created to imply that Hasan loves electrocuting the shit out of his poor dog… not that he did it 1 time out of 1000 days that he’s had her in his care and that we need to fully solve the matter of “did he shock her that one time?”
I do NOT think he shocked her… because that seems to be the simpler more rational assumption to make - given all of the other factors mentioned already… and if we’re going to go down the rabbit hole of these details of the model that could possibly be used, well, then you can also speculate on how that model was POTENTIALLY set up for him maybe by someone else and that Hasan reasonably might not think to go into the details of that to then explain the situation. It didn’t have prongs? Maybe it did and someone else removed them.
All of this is speculation - again because it’s very hard to prove a negative here… because given the number of possible variables we simply cannot fully determine the full reality of, and the unending appeals that can be made… so the assumption of charitability toward the situation is just as valid as the assumption of guilt.
And in that scenario, the only logical pursuit is that of looking toward external factors that would best indicate the truth.
Hasan does not seem abusive, he seems to love the dog, there’s no other clear evidence he has abused her (on the contrary - as we both have seen - the many video compilations of the 2 together seem to indicate that Hasan loves Kaya dearly), Hasan knows that giving this accusation attention only seems to make those who accuse him want more evidence to prove he didn’t shock her and those who are his fans seem convinced already.
It was reasonable to ask Hasan to address it once and he did… and he presumed it would end the discourse one the subject… but I believe that it’s like the Obama birth certificate thing at this point - no matter what is shown, they will still say he’s not really an American. “oh he didn’t release the longform one!”