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• Leomas@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Hey, nice copy-pasta. I don’t care for your argument of authority. That dog was not having a good time staying in place for hours. In Europe we might care about animal welfare a bit more, than y’all do.

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  • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    lol, please you gotta tell us all - which one are you a fan of?

    Ethan, Destiny, Asmongold, or some other half-wit grifter?

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    • Leomas@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’m an anti-capitalist Anarchist, the other group you people hate ;-)

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      • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Suuuuure…

        Buddy, I’m not a fan of left-infighting, so - assuming you aren’t actually a shit-stirring disingenuous liar, I don’t hate you.

        I really only mostly don’t like the red hat types and the folks who pretend to be left-leaning in order to sow chaos among the ranks who might otherwise band together.

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      • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You are a liberal

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    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Who are you a fan of?

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      • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The Majority Report’s probably one of my favorites, but honestly I try to keep an eye out on a lot of different sources so the chances of me being too deeply attached to any given streamer to the point I begin to deny reality is lessened. I watch Vaush every now and then, Kyle Kulinski, The Serfs, More Perfect Union, Second Thought, the Coolzone Media people like my friend I’ve been arguing with here, and probably a few others I used to watch more, but stopped due to a noticeable shift in the way they started covering topics - like TYT for example.

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    • Leomas@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The Coolzone media crew I guess?

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      • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        😄 Robert from Behind the Bastards or Cody and Katy or what?

        What are you even talking about?

        I am not aware of any “takedowns” posted by Some More News or any of their other works I literally follow that have said anything bad about the guy.

        It’s not like they don’t do takedowns of people either (deservedly so in pretty much every case I’ve ever seen). I’m really curious as to who from Cool Zone says Hasan is a dog abuser.

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  • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What you care about doesn’t matter, you are completely full of shit

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• conartistpanda@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Hey, I won’t deny right wing grifters will do shady shit to get a left streamer down and that the whole thing is a campaign against him, I want to make clear I’m not one of them, I’m a mere spectator who’s never seen Hassan aside from this drama, so I will ask IN GOOD FAITH because I’m having a hard time wrapping my mind around this so please have some patience.

  When the whole collar thing happened there were various clues pointing the collar was a shock one with tape on where the prongs were. There was also a stream in which the controller of either the vibration or shock collar showed up on a table (sorry for not providing links but I’m tired right now, I’ll trust you’ve seen the clips I’m talking about), then there was another clip in which the dog’s collar emitted a light, people argued it was a reflection but reflections don’t stay for multiple frames like that without completely freezing the dog (as far as I know). Then on the pictures we see the collar having a screw only the shock version has.

  Shock: electro-collares.es/…/e-collar-educator-et-300 Vibration: www.electro-collares.es/…/e-collar-pg-300 www.reedog.es/…/e-collar-pg-300

  I would post the pictures myself but I can’t, if you think I’m making shit up I’ll do it but for now I’ll count on you having seen this evidence.

  My point is, if Hassan had shown the collar the dog had during the stream none of this discussion would exist, but by be pictures It totally looks like he tried to lie people pretending he was not using a shocking collar, and if that is the case I’m not trusting a person who lies their public like that. If you insist he didn’t then tell me where I’m wrong. Are the pictures fake or edited? Is the collar model different from the ones shown? Is there a fallacy in my logic? etc. From my point of view no one seemed to acknowledge the evidence pictures back then.

  Also, there was a lot of goal-posting when defending Hassan while some said he never shocked the dog, some said they did but it didn’t matter. From the point of view of an outsider It looks like fans defending questionable actions from their fav streamer. You can tell me that the dog doesn’t act like they’re being abused and I’ll believe you, but beyond that the point remains. Did Hassan actually shock the dog then lie about it? Trust and transparency is important for me when it comes to judge a stranger.

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  • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Did you watch the full unedited video of the supposed “shock” including before and after?

    Did you see the video of Hasan debunking it? Did anything Hasan said in this debunking come across as seemingly shady or obvious bullshit?

    Did you see the video compilation of Hasan loving on the dog a bunch?

    Do you see any videos that anyone has been able to find where he reaches with his hand toward her or raises his hand where she winces in fear - in a way that a dog who is hit often by its owner does?

    Any other video in the 3 years he’s had her where you can find any other obvious self-evident proof of abuse? Another moment where the dog cried out in pain or fear?

    No one should ask you to ignore anything, but the fact that you’re scrutinizing whether or not the collar is a shock collar that was swapped out secretly or that he had someone make edits to a video of seems like far more of a stretch than maybe just the idea that some assholes hate the guy and can’t otherwise come up with any legitimate criticisms and figure this was an opportunity to jump in on… don’t you think?

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    • conartistpanda@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      TL:DR; Please don’t be angry and don’t go full Trump supporter on me and ignore all of this cause you don’t believe that it’s true. Help me see the truth. If you did see these collar pics then tell me what is it I’m not seeing myself that proves it’s a vibration only collar and not a shock one without prongs? Tell me and I’ll listen. Please, just refute the hard evidence. I WANT to believe you.

      If you still need a reason for me to care so much: Autism.

      The video of the incident looks like what people says that happened, looks like he reached his hand somewhere (supposedly the remote) and Kaya complains. It could be a coincidence of course, and it doesn’t help that Hasan doesn’t show the collar immediately after (although understandable, not a realistic demand since he has no reasons, it would be great if he did but in the video you linked there didn’t seem to be anyone accusing Hasan from shocking Kaya, looks like that came later). Because of this we can only speculate.

      The debunk video doesn’t debunk anything, he acknowledges that people are looking at his supposedly vibration only collar but he doesn’t acknowledge exactly WHY they’re doing it (aside from right grifter assholes wanting to smear him), he doesn’t actually stop and debunk it. The reason people points at the collar is because it looks just like the vibration version without the prongs. He missed an unrealistic opportunity to proof himself when he did not show the collar when it happened (again, understandable), and he lost a very realistic opportunity in this debunk video by not showing it again but in more detail to prove it’s not a shock version. I mean, he doesn’t call it “modded shock into vibration only collar”, he claims that’s just a vibration collar, nothing else. I can’t stress enough how bad it is that he doesn’t show the collar in more detail, if he wanted to end all of this he would’ve just zoomed the fuck into it and shut everyone up, It’s easier to believe that he’s hiding something that believing he is dumb. It is very suspicious. You can always say he was nervous but he’s probably got plenty of time to plan the debunk.

      (This is only speculation you can skip this paragraph) In the video he also claims that Kaya hurt herself. That implies she has a vibration collar on but he didn’t use it, so he can’t really go “I used a collar but it only vibrates” since that would mean he lied, and if he lies then how is anyone supposed to trust him? If he did we’d be in a “alt right moving goalposts” like situation.

      I don’t need to see the one loving his dog. I mean “He loves Kaya” is sadly not a valid proof that he didn’t shock her unlike actual pictures of the collar, and three things can be true at the same time:

      1. He loves Kaya;
      2. He shocked Kaya;
      3. Stinky (literally) Asmnogold-like people are using it as an excuse to shit on him and exaggerate on what happened.

      And the best way to judge a situation is by keeping it cool. Getting to know Hasan better is sadly not a good way of thinking things calmly and subjectively the same way falling into the ragebait shit right wing grifters upload would not be ideal.

      But I’m not here to judge if Hasan is a dog abuser, I’m here ONLY to judge if he shocked her, for my own sanity, because I’m seeing all this evidence pointing out he did it yet people don’t seem to acknowledge it, similar to how right wing nutjobs won’t understand cheeto man is a pedofile rapist despite all of the evidence, it’s like they can’t see the evidence or maybe they do and they don’t care because “the left only wants to shit on him”. The equivalent in this situation would be Hasan fans not caring Kaya got shocked because “the right only wants to shit on him” (which is true, but that doesn’t justify not calling him out on what he did IF he did it), don’t get me wrong, I’m NOT saying shocking a dog so it doesn’t move is on the same level of a super mega pedophile ring, and justifying the former is much, MUCH better than the latter, I’m just trying to get the point across that Trump’s fans will either justify whatever he does or blindly believe everything he says because they’re out of touch fanatics. Maybe they genuinely believe he didn’t diddle the kiddlers. Maybe they just don’t bother to either look at it or to exist in the same reality we do, probably because they like the guy. I don’t want to believe Hasan fans are on the same realm of ignoring reality and evidence because “I like him he would never”. This whole situation feels the same to me. Look at that debunk video, it proofs my point, Hasan glares over the issue and explains people hating him is making stuff up to hate on him, but he never addresses the actual stuff being said on the videos which only makes me think he can’t and only hopes his fans will blindly defend him, then you go and link it as if it does prove something.

      But lets give him the benefit of the doubt, what if he uses a modded shock collar so it only shakes. Why not say that? What if he just has a vibration collar that looks EXACTLY like the shock one? Like a knock off or something. Just show the model online, and again, the collar itself closely.

      If you read this far, please. I IMPLORE you to look at the videos of the people comparing the pictures on his streams showing the collar with the images on the collars site I linked, don’t just assume that you won’t get anything from it like a Trump supporter wouldn’t look at the Epstein files. Yes, these people probably don’t give a flying FUCK about Kaya, but that’s beyond the point here, the point is if he shocked her. The pics with the collar he showed make it clear (at least to me) it’s then shock version without prongs. They can’t be fake cause they’re taken from his stream and Hasan doesn’t even claim them to be fake, he just doesn’t claim anything, the only thing preventing you from looking at and comparing them would be blind trust.

      All I want you to do is compare the collar Hasan shows with the pictures of the collars on the websites and tell me why that is not a shock version with prongs removed. If you don’t want to do it cause you think Hasan is innocent, think of all the alt right nutjobs that won’t look at the Epstein files because Trump is “innocent” so there’s no point (not saying shocking a dog is as bad as mass child rape, just pointing out how fanaticism clouds people’s judgement). Keep your mind open and I will keep mine, but refute the hard evidence, refute it. Don’t change the subject or say things like “Nu uh he loves Kaya”, that’s not evidence, neither is “I like him he would never”.

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      • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I think you’re good, friend. No worries.

        Really (and I know one of the videos I shared in another comment covered this but I don’t want to torture you by asking you to comb through my novella of work in this thread to go read / watch) the problem with trying to “prove a negative” is that for every piece of evidence you can try to prove that negative, it’s not hard to then come up with another reason why that evidence isn’t sufficient.

        Like when I was a kid, my Dad accidentally burned my hand with a cigarette while handing me a baseball with that same hand he had the 🚬 in. If he said it was an accident though, how would he prove that he did NOT do it on purpose to anyone else who saw my hand and then I told them it was my dad who burned me?

        See, the difference is that I can tell others my Dad didn’t do it on purpose… that he never ever did it ever again… that I have no other burns anywhere else on my body, no bruises, and that I know my Dad loves me. Kaya can’t talk. But we can look at her and see she doesn’t wince in fear from him, that she wags her tail every time he looks at her, that she walks close to him in public - even without a leash sometimes I think.

        This is why I would suggest to try looking toward other clues to ascertain whether or not this claim has merit - rather than “prove this collar doesn’t have shock prongs.”

        I’ve seen the pictures of the collar, and I watched the video the dog trainer did on the clip shared by another user and then commented in detail on that.

        However, after all of that… and - again given how hard it would be to convince anyone on the prong situation other than just “that seems like kinda way too conspiratorial and work to be true” - I really just find it way more likely that - given the lack of any other moment where Kaya seems to have been in any sort of stressful situation captured on camera in the MASSIVE backlog of Hasan’s streams where you see her - and not just her laying in her spot, but her on walks with him in public, her with him while podcasting on his other shows with others present - he has never shocked her or ever done ANYTHING to cause her to audibly yelp or whimper or howl or pee herself or anything else even a SINGLE other time.

        I think that makes it just a lot easier to believe that the shock did not happen.

        I don’t know if that convinces you, but as I said - it is exceedingly hard to prove a negative short of the dog herself just being able to say “yeah he didn’t do that” in the same way I told others the truth that “my dad didn’t mean to burn me with the 🚬 when he handed me the ⚾️.”

        Hopefully all that makes sense. 😓

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    • boomzilla@programming.dev ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Here’s a video from a professional dog trainer, who claims he didn’t know Hasan prior, analyzing the incident and the device. He concluded that it wasn’t a shock- but a vibration-collar (or used as such). He did not see any misconduct from Hasan. I read somewhere the trainer was massively harassed after the video.

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      • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        OK, I watched the video of the dog trainer guy.

        Given that the dog trainer says he has absolutely zero context other than what he can see and surmise from the video, and later the vibes and comments as well, I would say that he’s probably just trying to be as objective as possible about whether or not the collar is or could have been a shock collar.

        He seems to say that she does NOT seem to be being abused but he could’ve used a vibration collar on her there, but also that it’s a bit of a stretch to think that this guy is swapping out parts to make it look like a vibration collar when it’s secretly an electric shock collar.

        The trainer guy said although you never like to hear a dog yelp, he doesn’t think Hasan should be kicked off of “switch” 😅 for the dog yelping in surprise from a vibration IF he indeed did vibrate it on her when she got off the bed.

        For the context that is missing in this video though - the dog trainer also seemed to perceive that Hasan was mad at Kaya for getting off the bed because the clip he was provided either had that part removed either on purpose to remove that context in a way that Hasan antagonists would do without hesitation - or more simply (also more likely in my opinion) to save time and not make the trainer have to watch more than the minimum needed to see the immediate before and after parts.

        The fact is - that clip does not showing that - in reality - Hasan was NOT angry at Kaya - he was angry about his Internet going out over and over again, and that the frustration from the internet dropping issues was just bleeding over in a way that then appeared like he was mad specifically at Kaya for getting off of her “spot.” Also - the idea she tweaked her paw or got a claw caught on one of the fibers as she stepped seems to be really hard to point out, but the trainer not hearing that explanation as to the possible reason why she yelped also seems kind of unfair as well.

        Apparently, the other thing that is coincidental is that Hasan says in the controversy-addressing video that he was reaching for a “Zyn tin” at the time - not some “shock collar remote.” <- (at the very end of this clip)

        I believe it, because in other non-staged photos captured by 3rd party articles about him, Hasan seems to always have multiple Zyn tins stacked up in that same spot him where he said that’s what he was reaching for. Image

        That seems to align - again - with what was claimed later when Hasan addressed the “controversy.”

        On another note though, just want to say I can’t believe 6 months after this smear job people want to fucking do a forensic analysis of this AGAIN just to clear up something that - if you watch any of the clips where he is doing stuff with the dog - the guy honestly looks like he absolutely loves the dog.

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      • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        This is the first actually mature and civil (but oppositional) reply to any of my comments here that wasn’t just some obvious fan of one of the antagonistic streamers who constantly are trying to sic their supporters on the guy.

        Thank you.

        I will watch the video and reply back here (or edit) after watching. I still remain unconvinced he’s abusive of her, but the “using a vibration collar” part being used and a professional pointing it out does give more weight to that specific aspect of the accusation.

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• null@piefed.nullspace.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Lmaooooo your proof that Hasan didn’t shock his dog is a Hasan video??

  That plus the “sex pest” line shows just how deep you are in Hasan’s ass. Truly cringe.

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  • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    So you’re a Destiny fan - got it. 🤣

    Look… it’s all right.

    Destiny did an awesome takedown of JonTron (who I also once liked in the OG Game Grumps days) being racist a long time ago and he has teamed up with his own former fan Vaush against some actual fascists so I don’t absolutely hate the guy… but seeing you come to his defense when I bring up any of the accusations that have been made against the dude let me know where you stand.

    Destiny has dog shit opinions in a lot of cases, someone I like having as an ally against the worst people on the internet, but Jesus Christ does he let his personal vendettas completely guide his political compass.

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    • null@piefed.nullspace.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Now that’s what I’d expect from a Hasan fan, defending accusations of shocking his dog by having a meltdown about Destiny.

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      • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        And you’re exactly what I’d expect from a current-era Destiny fan :

        Ignoring every single one of the counter-arguments made - even when provided self-evident video supports the claim in order to sidestep the original discussion.

        I gave you 2 videos countering the dog shock meme shit - both of non-Hasan YouTubers with sizeable audiences and some measure of credibility, and you ignored them.

        Then you only glom onto the last part of my reply where I point out a few of the notable problems of streamer Destiny (who I’m guessing you’re a fan of - given the specific use of “up his ass” you’re perhaps unwittingly regurgitating)… but again - at the same time - you ignore the videos provided that show Destiny saying the N-word and Destiny saying clearly on video that he is ok with 29 year olds having sex with 16 year olds as long as they’ve gone through puberty.

        You want to pretend that I’m “deflecting” so it allows you to avoid both my rebuttal as well as criticisms related to the streamer you seem most likely to be a fan of combined into a single reply.

        You can correct me if I’m wrong about you being a fan of Destiny, but I will admit I’m guessing from the specific use of “up his ass” you replied with - that you are a fan of his.

        If not, again I ask - which of Hasan’s obsessed hate-watchers are you a fan of? You get this stuff from someone - so admit here who it is if not Steven Bonnell the 2nd.

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• Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I saw him kick his dog with steel toe boots

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  • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Do you have a source for this?

    Honestly, it’s so easy to attach a link to anything you comment - so the only reason not to is if you lack the evidence to back up a claim.

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    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It was on the news

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      • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Damnit, I forgot what sub-re… I mean… lemmy community I was in.

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  • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    No you didn’t

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    • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I literally did

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• null@piefed.nullspace.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Also nice cherry pick. Gee, I wonder why you didn’t go with something more recent…

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  • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    😄 yeah Hasan seems really doomed now from his joking heartbreak resulting from Mamdani needing to distance himself from a streamer so non-terminally online people don’t freak out at the old “America Deserved 9-11” meme clip.

    Meanwhile, again I ask you - any thoughts on Mr. Barelli’s use of the n-word, and his really problematic 29yr:16yr olds sex comment I keep trying to get a reply on?

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    • null@piefed.nullspace.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Oops, guess we know why you chose something from a year ago instead of this…

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      • JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        All right, buddy you’re a huge waste of time. 😄

        Have a good one.

        You know - I genuinely hope things can be sorted out up Mr. Bottachelli and his kid - seems like there’s some rough stuff going on there, but I don’t know the latest.

        Maybe you or someone else from 4chan could fill us all in on what’s up with all that. Though it’s probably been a year or so since I read anything about any of that, so make sure to call me out I guess if I’m cherry-picking here on that as well.

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