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VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Oh, but he would be. He is that kind of guy.

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  • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He is. That’s like his whole act nowadays. Suuuper lame.

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    • Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      He has always been a FAR better writer than a performer.

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      • Denjin@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        And he was only such a good writer because he was in the room with Stephen Merchant who is better than Gervais in basically every way.

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• Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But thats just it and what most professional comedians are talking about. They dont want you to be genuinely offended or upset, but if you go to a comedy show or watch a 60 minute special. You laugh at 55 minutes but get offended at the 5 that are about a topic YOU are sensitive about, that 5 minutes wasnt all of a sudden serious statements meant to be taken seriously. It was all jokes. They dont owe anyone an apology because they didnt like parts of their work. They KNOW that not everything is going to land for everyone. If 90% of the audience are laughing, you are killing it.

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  • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Keyword: professional.

    These last few years have seen old comedians finding it hard to update their style. They’re the ones hyperfocusing on people not finding their jokes funny, at this point. I defended Dave Chappelle at first, but it seems his standup has become the feel sorry for me hour.

    I think Ricky Gervais especially exaggerates how offensive his material is just to have something to talk about. Carlin is a prime example of bitchy old man humor done right. But that’s just my opinion.

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    • Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think Ricky has a problem in that some people go to his shows expecting a sterility of humor you find on tv and get proper standup. You almost never hear outrage about Jeselnik because his entire repertoire is “I’m saying the wildest shit I can think of and thats what you’re here for”

      I have mixed feelings about Dave Chappelle because I genuinely believe in inclusivity which unfortunately includes having jokes made about you (which some communities do not appreciate) but he just did too much and it crossed a line into feeling like bullying behavior so I dont fuck with him at all anymore.

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      • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I just expect funny, honestly.

        He comes across as an angry man that doesn’t know how to grip an audience anymore. As evidenced by the fact that he’s more interested in the lecture than the joke.

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  • socsa@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think going to see a comedian perform live, there is a certain level of consent to be exposed to controversial or offensive jokes, especially if they are known for that kind of thing. The problem is when that leaves the comedy club, and stops being a joke, and becomes “cover” for actual bigotry disguised as a “joke.” Far too many people think that because it’s funny when a professional says it in a stand-up show, it must also be funny when uncle Steve says it at Thanksgiving.

    There is also the issue of punching down, and how that changes when you go from being a working comic doing small shows, to being famous and on Netflix. This is Chappelle’s biggest issue imo. The guy who made Half Baked isn’t the same guy who made Chappelle show, who isn’t the same guy who intentionally picks on trans people for shock value.

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