Comment on Your opinion is important

• NONE_dc@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s the question from which fucked up shit start to happen, but let’s take it at face value.

  In that case, you can look for a segment of the minority group that aligns with your ideals (because not all of us think the same way, we’re not a collective mind) and offer them your support.

  Do you encounter, say, Latinos who support Trump? Leave them alone and offer support to Latinos who are critical of Trump; We’ll know how to use your help to take actions that benefit all of us, including those who are “wrong.”

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  • U7826391786239@piefed.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    do you approve of the term “LatinX”?

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    • NONE_dc@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nop! Not a single bit!

      I doesn’t fit the pronunciation rules of most latinamerican countries, not even Brazil. I mean, How do you “say” that? what sound does the X represents? It’s like “LatinEx”? That sounds so silly! Like a Kingdom Hearts Villain or something.

      If you want to be inclusive / non-binary, you better use “Latine” (La-ti-ne). That’s how the “inclusive language” works here.

      Although, I argue that “Latino” is OK either way, since you’re talking about the collective from “LATINO-America”.

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      • U7826391786239@piefed.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        thank you. i’m not latino, but it always struck me as WTF when all of a sudden “let me be offended for you” people decided they needed to “fix” an entire language’s “sexist” word that none of its speakers were ever offended by

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      • orlyowl@piefed.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Are there still more than like 5 people trying to make Latinx a thing? I thought that one kind of died out early on, but I’m not a member of that community.

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    • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It is important to understand the context of who defined it.

      It was mainly defined by queer people in various Latin communities as a self descriptor. LGBT acceptance within the various Spanish speaking communities in general is nowhere near universal, which explains why adoption of Latinx isn’t a thing.

      I’d only use the descriptor if I knew that a lot of people there within earshot wanted to use that description.

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      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah, latine is the one that caught on because it’s pronouncable, but latinx and latin@ are both things that I see from an outsider perspective as similar to the use of womxn in English. Unpronouncable words that come with a very political purpose. Latinx was not good to catch on, and I think it only ever did because of a chain of who was speaking to each other, but it fairly quickly fell out of favor.

        Personally as a white American queer person I’m going to just mirror the language latin folks use. I have international solidarity with my fellow queer people and so I hope that if they come to a terminology they prefer that it catches on, but I also understand that I don’t have a say in the fight over another language’s terminology.

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    • Zwiebel@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, just “latin”. Drop the o or a, done

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      • blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Or latine. Or just latino/a, depending on context, as is the norm in all of spanish.

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• menas@lemmy.wtf ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  In this case, minorities could learn by themselves, to under another leadership.

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  • blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What if the minorities are causing harm to society by being wrong, such as distrusting vaccines?

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    • menas@lemmy.wtf ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Because a conclusion is incorrect do not imply that everything that lead to this conclusion is incorrect.

      First, your obviously struggle to convince people. So even if this is the only objective, we have to inform ourselves better to understand what we are missing. This is a better stand, but I think this is still an issue : we don’t really listen people if we think they are wrong.

      If our stand is right, this is not an issue to try to prove it wrong. So let’s discuss in order to be proven that vaccines shall not be trusted. I mean, with reliable sources and shit. However personal experiences are reliable sources, but not as much as collective one which and not as scientific consensus.

      And their is some serious concerns about vaccines : in Africa, some vaccines campaign was used to use people as test-subject, Falashas has been collectively sterilized. Those are not exception, coloniale and oppressive context regularly use health to justify oppression (on race, gender, sexual orientation or origin).

      So if we took what seems obvious to us in order to help, we may just reproduce what other people from the social origins use to oppress. In this conditions, the intuition to oppose to our speech is a good one. To do that, we have to value the knowledge of the exact same people that we may look down upon otherwise

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• Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Impossible. People like Jesse Lee Peterson don’t exist.

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