Comment on dyk

• slickgoat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Neither can shoes.

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  • Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Neither can couches.

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  • Pacattack57@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    A dead person isn’t equal to a shoe. As humans we show more respect to our dead than old shoes.

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    • Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’m sure dead people don’t mind.

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      • Pacattack57@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        They might not mind but their family members do

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    • slickgoat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You said dead people can’t consent. I said neither can shoes. Tell me the bit where I am wrong?

      You have now added something about importance, on which I never commented.

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• minorkeys@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Objects can’t consent at all and they never could, permission from an object to act on it sounds exactly like why the right think the left has gone crazy.

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  • Pacattack57@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    What do you mean never? When they were alive they could consent. Why does that change when they die? Just because someone is incapacitated through death, doesn’t give us the right to rape them. When consent is not given it is presumed you don’t have it.

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    • minorkeys@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      When alive, the body was a person. They are not incapacitated through death, they dead. Gone. The person ceases to be and only the object and memories remain.

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      • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Notice how you use the pronoun “they” for what you said is now an object.

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  • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And calling people objects is why the right is crazy.

    If a person drowns and has no heartbeat, is it okay for you to have a quickie with them before the paramedics arrive to save him? Clinically they’re dead, so… by your logic, they’re an object, and never had the ability to consent in the first place, so quickly fucking them up the arse should be a-okay, right?

    Or is there like a timer you have for when a person goes from a person to an object, which then retroactively never had personhood anyway? Is it just time, or is it temperature, or as soon as the smell sets in? Some people have been clinically dead for half an hour in cold water before being resuscitated, the cold helping protect from brain damage. And some people smell like dead bodies while alive.

    I’m just curious as to your personal criteria.

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    • minorkeys@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The object never has agency. The person does. This edge case is a fine one, but only suggests that the person is dormant, not gone, and can be returned to life. If a body is in a morgue for a week, that ain’t going to be a possibility.

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      • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yeah. People aren’t objects. Even if human remains were, you’d have a hard time arguing when a person stops existing without “well once they’ve rotted for a week, they’re definitely not alive.” yeah no shit

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox

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