You mean the two countries tied for 3rd place in the most evil country competition?
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baines@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks agodid you forget Russia exists? or China?
Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
baines@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
recency bias and the US outsized reputation makes it seem that I’m sure but lol if you think this is true
we’re just more free to complain about it, probably not for much longer though
so if you think it’s bad now buckle up and I say this as a generational casualty of US colonialism
Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Its not receny bias. The US didnt just turn evil in Jan 2025.
How are are all those black prisoners working in privatised prisons doing by the way?
China has 4 times the population as the US, yet the US still has the largest prison population on Earth.
Slavery never ended in america.
Land of the free my hole.
baines@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
who said anything about 2025? even if you want to peg the US evil starting with Nixon (which isn’t perfectly true as we were war profiteering in ww1/2) that’s recent, the US is a baby nation
now you’re just throwing strawman arguments, I don’t support any of this shit the US is currently doing, it’s just stupid to think China hasn’t done worse in the last century, isn’t doing equally evil shot now
skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
not to get all tankie on you, but China has thus far managed to restrain themselves from bombing other countries’ civilian populations.
baines@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
dude spend two min googling ‘Chinese atrocities from 1900’
like again I really don’t want to frame this like the US is the good guy, the US is not, but as a matter of scale currently China is still worse
China has been worse than Nazi Germany
Koarnine@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Do explain how China has been worse than Nazi Germany, sounds like delusion.
bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
It’s a crypto fascist.
baines@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
i’m not going to repeat myself it’s in the last post
skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
dude spend two min googling ‘Chinese atrocities from 1900’
Ok, I did that exact thing verbatim, and the entire first page of results are things that happened before anyone here was born.
I’m not about to claim they’re saintly in any way, for sure they have lots of well-documented internal issues with civil liberties, free speech, and oppression of minority groups, but the fact that you’re going so far into the past to make your case just makes it a case in support of the opposite view.
bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
Ok, I did that exact thing verbatim, and the entire first page of results are things that happened before anyone here was born.
Also the first result is literally a rebellion against invading foreign powers lmao.
baines@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
recency bias google that
but yes the US is bad, i’m not defending it
but sure as fuck China doesn’t get to had wave the past away
and not all of their evils have stopped
they’re just not being currently ran by an orange buffoon
the US had evil shit going on under Obama and yet the world image of the US was much better then
bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
You realize there has been three China since 1900? Qing dynasty -> Republic of china -> Current China. Also wtf are you even saying? You know the first thing that comes out from “Chinese atrocities from 1900” in google is the boxer’s rebellion? A push back from the people against the invading foreign powers that were starving China?
bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
Did you hit your head as a baby?
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Both are bad, neither is worse than the US.
Just going by invasions and regime changes alone the US takes the cake. That’s before you get into the spreading crack into black communities, chemical weapons on civilians, drone strikes on children, ecological destruction, genocide enabling, etc etc.
baines@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
i hate defending the US because it has had more direct bad impact on my life bit by scale of lost life alone i’d still argue Russia is still worse, and if we lump current China to not even that long ago China the numbers killed are not even close
the scale of China’s population just blows it allniut of proportion
bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
Wow you’re truly stupid lmao.
Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
you sound like a nazi
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Idk what lost life you’re counting, because it’s pretty well known that civilian casualties in just the the Iraq war most likely dwarf Ukrainian losses.
baines@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
ffs google, it is painful when i can tell people are not even trying and just mad at the US
i get it i do, US is doing bad shit but it’s obvious your not even trying to look
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
50+million chinese people and the ughyger genocided people would like to have a word with you.
m532@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Do you condemn Wihthe genocide?
Learn to spell
baines@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
huh? write out your point like I’m 5 because it sounds like we agree and i’m confused
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
By numbers US is probably worse but the level of cruelty from Russia is unmatched outside of terrorist organizations
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Would it really be tho?
Like the US targets children and social gatherings to attack, tortures/rapes/murders innocent civilians in black sites, keeps a racial based underclass who they hook on drugs, violently assault from childhood, and lock up in record numbers to serve as legal slave labour. That’s pretty fucking cruel stuff.
dovahking@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Also invades small countries on whim, votes against the well-being of humankind, meddle in other countries’ affairs, has been in war for more than 90% of it’s existence, never held itself accountable, experiments on its own citizens, and is ruled by a cabal of paedophiles.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
All true but I never seen videos o people being killed by sledgehammer to the head or castrated in cold blood with a blunt knife coming from the US.
bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
How so? You’d have to bring up Tsarist Russia atrocities to match American ones. I for one can’t think of something more cruel than napalming villages in Vietnam, or dropping nukes on civilians in Japan, and that’s just a couple of examples in the vast bucket of wsr crimes of the US.